{"id":265,"date":"2013-11-07T19:21:10","date_gmt":"2013-11-07T19:21:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thesax.info\/makesandmodelslist\/?p=265"},"modified":"2013-11-07T19:21:10","modified_gmt":"2013-11-07T19:21:10","slug":"holton-musing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/holton-musing\/","title":{"rendered":"Holton Musing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">I&#8217;ve mentioned in a few places that the reasons why I never paid much attention to Holton were because not a lot of folks had the horns and not a lot of folks considered them to be <em>good<\/em> horns: as an example, Rudy Wiedoeft famously <em>didn&#8217;t<\/em> play the Holton Rudy Wiedoeft model. On this blog, though, I&#8217;m not terribly worried about playability: I just want to see some really pretty horns and Holton did have several.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_203\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-203\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?164638-Say-Hello-to-the-Devil.-Introducing-Holton-s-forgotten-sax%E2%80%A6\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-203\" alt=\"Holton Model 666 Super Collegiate Eb alto sax, 1959?  From the SOTW Forum.\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thesax.info\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/CIMG1757.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"450\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-203\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Holton Model 666 Super Collegiate Eb alto sax, 1959? From <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?164638-Say-Hello-to-the-Devil.-Introducing-Holton-s-forgotten-sax%E2%80%A6\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">soybean @ the SOTW Forum<\/span><\/a>.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<hr \/>\n<p>This striking instrument has a copper body with a nickel-plated brass bell, neck and keywork &#8212; and it may be the first and only saxophone ever offered in that configuration.<\/p>\n<p>I encourage you to check out further info and pics <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?180557-Holton-Copper-Tube-Super-Collegiate-Rebuild-and-Review\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">here<\/span><\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/dewattohouse.blogspot.com\/2012\/06\/holton-666-super-collegiate-alto.html\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">here<\/span><\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?181308-FS-Holton-Super-Collegiate-Alto\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">here<\/span><\/a>.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_219\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-219\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/gallery3\/index.php\/Holton\/Rudy-Wiedoeft-Model\/Eb-Alto-s-n-35131-ca-1930\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-219\" alt=\"Holton Rudy Wiedoeft Model Eb alto in gold plate, s\/n 35131 (1930). From intofoc.usmontreal @ eBay.com.\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thesax.info\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/102011-Weideoft-13-e1360294624194.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"600\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-219\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Holton Rudy Wiedoeft Model Eb alto in gold plate, s\/n 35131 (1930). From <a href=\"http:\/\/myworld.ebay.com\/intofoc.usmontreal\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">intofoc.usmontreal @ eBay.com.<\/span><\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<hr \/>\n<p>One of the really nice things about YouTube is that you can listen to and see some of the stuff that Rudy Wiedoeft did, like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Db9P-u1_2bE\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">this clip from 1932<\/span><\/a> (check the Roman numerals at the start of the clip). Note that the horn Mr. Wiedoeft is playing is obviously not a Holton. It&#8217;s the rare Selmer Super Series C melody tenor.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_224\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-224\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/gallery3\/index.php\/Couturier\/Lyon---Healy-Stencils\/17664\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-224\" alt=\"EA Couturier-made Lyon &amp; Healy Perfect Curved Bb Soprano, s\/n 17664 (ca. 1925). From PM Woodwind.\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thesax.info\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/lyonandhealyperfectcurved.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"630\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-224\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">EA Couturier-made Lyon &amp; Healy Perfect Curved Bb Soprano, s\/n 17664 (ca. 1925). From <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pmwoodwind.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">PM Woodwind.<\/span><\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<hr \/>\n<p>I&#8217;m cheating, a little: EA Couturier originally made this horn for Lyon &amp; Healy, but Couturier did make horns for Holton and seems to have gotten absorbed by Holton. Additionally, Holton tried to improve the design of this horn &#8212; and failed as badly as Couturier did, so I&#8217;m not cheating &#8230; much. In any event, if you want to see the Holton-made version of this horn, please check out <a href=\"http:\/\/www.saxpics.com\/the_gallery\/Martin\/misc\/pics\/lyon_and_healy\/soprano\/semi_curved\/lh-semicurved\/lyonandhealy-4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">this black and white photo.<\/span><\/a> (Note that many folks &#8212; including me &#8212; had considered these horns made by Martin, until LaPorte&#8217;s work on SOTW regarding Couturier.)<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_229\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-229\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.saxpics.com\/the_gallery\/Holton\/stencils\/Gretsch-cybersax\/Gretsch_15xxx_Tenor.html\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-229\" alt=\"Holton-Made Gretsch Bb Tenor s\/n 15xxx (ca. 1935ish).  From Cybersax.com via Saxpics.com.\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thesax.info\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/GretschT.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"394\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-229\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gretsch Bb Tenor s\/n 15xxx (ca. 1935ish). From <a href=\"http:\/\/Cybersax.com\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Cybersax.com<\/span><\/a> via <a href=\"http:\/\/saxpics.com\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Saxpics.com.<\/span><\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Gretsch never made their own horns; they contracted with other companies. I&#8217;ve seen Gretsch horns made by at least a half-dozen other companies in the US and Europe. In any event, this is an extremely pretty horn and, according to several folks, it&#8217;s probably the best-playing Holton-made horn ever produced.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_232\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-232\" style=\"width: 1600px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/gallery3\/index.php\/Holton\/Stratodyne-Model-234\/Eb-Alto-s-n-204242-1949\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-232\" alt=\"Holton Stratodyne (Model 234) Eb Alto, s\/n 204242 (1949).  From jimiclapton @ eBay.\" src=\"http:\/\/www.thesax.info\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/holton-stratodyne-alto.jpg\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1200\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-232\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Holton Model 234 Stratodyne Eb Alto, s\/n 204242 (1949). From <a href=\"http:\/\/myworld.ebay.com\/jimiclapton\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">jimiclapton @ eBay.<\/span><\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<hr \/>\n<p>For me, this horn is all about the wires: beautifully simplistic around the bell keys and the bell-to-body brace that looks like an Allen key &#8212; which it might actually be. For even more fun, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.getasax.com\/product_info.php?cPath=34&amp;products_id=201\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Get-A-Sax has another one of these in their museum, only with nickel-plated keyguards<\/span><\/a>. Also, you might want to take a look at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.doctorsax.biz\/holton_alto_model232.htm\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">a Holton Model 232 at DoctorSax.biz for comparison.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_236\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-236\" style=\"width: 1024px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?96787-Holton-Reso-Tone-saxophones-model-204\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-236\" alt=\"Holton Model 204 Resotone Eb Alto, s\/n 123102 (1938).  From soybean @ SOTW. \" src=\"http:\/\/www.thesax.info\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/0e1b_3.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"596\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-236\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Holton Model 204 Resotone Eb Alto, s\/n 123102 (1938). From <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?96787-Holton-Reso-Tone-saxophones-model-204\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">soybean @ SOTW<\/span><\/a>.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<hr \/>\n<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with this horn, the Model 204 Resotone. This horn is all about the funky keyguards. Unfortunately, I was unable to find a better looking horn, but I&#8217;m hoping to compensate with all the info in the link. (I should also mention that the horn is called &#8220;Resotone&#8221; either because of the pads the horn originally shipped with or because of the &#8220;Resotone&#8221; ring around the underside of the bell lip, similar to Buescher&#8217;s 400 and Super 400 horns.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":267,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"iawp_total_views":1,"footnotes":""},"categories":[74,31],"tags":[79,80,77,76,81,75,78],"class_list":["post-265","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-holton","category-us-sax","tag-collegiate","tag-gretsch","tag-healy","tag-lyon","tag-rudy","tag-stratodyne","tag-wiedoeft","excerpt","zoom","full-without-featured","even","excerpt-0"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/265"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=265"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/265\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":269,"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/265\/revisions\/269"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/267"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=265"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=265"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/Pete\/makesandmodelslist\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=265"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}