{"id":15186,"date":"2009-12-23T10:15:21","date_gmt":"2009-12-23T18:15:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=15186"},"modified":"2010-03-11T09:58:30","modified_gmt":"2010-03-11T17:58:30","slug":"la-fleur-alto-saxophone-on-ebay","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2009\/la-fleur-alto-saxophone-on-ebay\/","title":{"rendered":"La Fleur Alto Saxophone On eBay: Edited March 11, 2010"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Edit: I have since met the man who bought this La Fleur. Kevin lives in the Metro Vancouver region. He and I have gotten together, and I have had the opportunity to see this alto in person. I&#8217;m therefore updating this post with the information that I have gleaned from my personal observations of this mysterious saxophone. Some of this information is already contained in the comments for this post. However, I felt it was important to update the post itself, and make it accurate.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>When I\u00a0came across\u00a0this\u00a0ad the\u00a0other day on eBay, my heart jumped into my throat, because I thought that I had found a neck for my Klingsor tenor. This horn was even located here in Canada! Then I realized that this was an alto, and I thought: Crap, not another alto.<\/p>\n<p>Up for auction on eBay,\u00a0is <a href=\"http:\/\/cgi.ebay.com\/Vintage-Sax-LaFleur-Alto-Saxophone-uFix-uSave_W0QQitemZ140368539402QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item20ae9def0a#ht_910wt_827\" target=\"_blank\">a La Fleur alto saxophone<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a rel=\"attachment wp-att-15240\" href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/In-Case-With-Neck.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15240\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2009\/la-fleur-alto-saxophone-on-ebay\/in-case-with-neck\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/In-Case-With-Neck.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"500,375\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"In Case With Neck\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/In-Case-With-Neck.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-15240\" title=\"In Case With Neck\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/In-Case-With-Neck.jpg?resize=500%2C375\" alt=\"In Case With Neck\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/In-Case-With-Neck.jpg?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/In-Case-With-Neck.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h6>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Source: eBay.com<\/h6>\n<p>The seller, a music store from Winnipeg, Quest Musique, describes the sax like this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This sax was owned by a local professional Jazz Tenor Sax player and needs quite a bit of work. Save big, get it here and fix it locally!<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">Features:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Yellow Brass Body<\/li>\n<li>Made In England<\/li>\n<li>Case Included<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">Technician&#8217;s notes:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>This instrument was made by LaFleur Band instruments in England and is made quite durably. This sax needs several pads replaced and an alignment done as well as the neck cork replaced. The construction feels very solid, built like a tank. It&#8217;s not in a playable condition yet, but should make for a decent student horn. The only noticeable denting is on the bow (pic 3) and the lacquer is about 50%. The case is very basic plywood and unpadded.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a rel=\"attachment wp-att-15241\" href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Left-Side2.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15241\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2009\/la-fleur-alto-saxophone-on-ebay\/left-side-17\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Left-Side2.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"500,375\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Left Side\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Left-Side2.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-15241\" title=\"Left Side\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Left-Side2.jpg?resize=500%2C375\" alt=\"Left Side\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Left-Side2.jpg?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Left-Side2.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h6>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Source: eBay.com<\/h6>\n<p><a rel=\"attachment wp-att-15242\" href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Bottom-Of-Bow.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"15242\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2009\/la-fleur-alto-saxophone-on-ebay\/bottom-of-bow-3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Bottom-Of-Bow.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"500,375\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Bottom Of Bow\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Bottom-Of-Bow.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-15242\" title=\"Bottom Of Bow\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Bottom-Of-Bow.jpg?resize=500%2C375\" alt=\"Bottom Of Bow\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Bottom-Of-Bow.jpg?w=500&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Bottom-Of-Bow.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h6>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Source: eBay.com<\/h6>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\">This sax was actually\u00a0made by\u00a0the Karl Hammerschmidt company in Burgau, Germany<\/span>. Hammerschmidt sold their saxophones under the brand name <em>Klingsor<\/em>. However, they made\u00a0alto and tenor saxophones\u00a0for England and Japan under the names <em>La Fleur<\/em> and <em>La Fleur Deluxe<\/em>. \u00b9<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">After seeing this horn in person, I can say with 99.9% certainty that this is not a Hammerschmidt saxophone. While it has many of the features of Hammerschmidts\u2014and I&#8217;ve itemized these throughout this post\u2014one unique feature it is missing is the <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/comment-image\/6552.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">2nd octave vent in the body tube<\/a>. Also, after seeing the sax in person, I can say it just doesn&#8217;t <em>look<\/em> or <em>feel<\/em> like a Hammerschmidt. Whatever it is however, like the Hammerschmidts, it is a very heavy\u00a0horn.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\">If you look at the photos, you can clearly see the Hammerschmidt pedigree of this La Fleur saxophone<\/span>. In the first photo, the one of <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/In-Case-With-Neck.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">the sax\u00a0and its neck in the case<\/a>, you can see\u00a0the\u00a0ridging on the underside of the neck that acted as the neck guard. This rather distinctive feature was found on the Hammerschmidt saxophones, and\u00a0on most of their stencils. For example, it\u00a0can be seen on the <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/03\/93bd_1.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">neck of this Genton alto<\/a>, and on the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\/images\/huttl08\/h_pic4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">neck of this Klingsor tenor<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The left-sided bell keys, and the left pinkie cluster with its nail file G#, are somewhat different to the <span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\">other<\/span> Hammerschmidt saxophones that I&#8217;ve seen to date, but not out of character with what we know of the company.<\/p>\n<p>Hammerschmidt&#8217;s\u00a0first saxophones were greatly influenced by the Conns of the time. As a matter of fact, I recently saw a Hammerschmidt with opposable bell keys on a European auction site.\u00a0That\u00a0saxophone\u00a0would pre-date this one. And <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=8490\" target=\"_self\">this Hammerschmidt<\/a>, that was up for sale in Brazil in May of this year, <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/05\/left-palm-keys.gif\" target=\"_blank\">had\u00a0a nail file G#<\/a> as well, along with a more 10M-style left pinkie cluster.<\/p>\n<p>Getting back to the La Fleur,\u00a0in <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/Bottom-Of-Bow.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">the photo\u00a0of the bow<\/a>,\u00a0you can see\u00a0the rolled tone holes that this sax has. This too was a feature of all Hammerschmidt horns.<\/p>\n<p>Hammerschmidt did not make student saxophones. This is a pro horn&#8230; Regardless of what the tech at Quest Musique might think about it. <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u00b2<\/span><\/p>\n<p>If I didn&#8217;t already have a too many altos, including a full-pearl Hammerschmidt with the extra trill keys (which needs a restoration), I would most likely go for this sax. But I don&#8217;t play alto enough\u2014read: at all\u2014to buy yet another one&#8230;Regardless how good the price might be.<\/p>\n<p>The auction for this La Fleur alto ends on December 28. Bidding starts at $0.99. At the time of writing, there were no bids yet on this vintage <span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\">Hammerschmidt saxophone, in<\/span> La Fleur <span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\">clothing<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p>________________________________________________<\/p>\n<p>\u00b9 From the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\/hammerschmidt.html\" target=\"_blank\">Hammerschmidt page<\/a> of my main Bassic Sax site. This information came from a German saxophone researcher who had written about the Karl Hammerschmidt Company.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u00b2 Despite this La Fleur not being made by Hammerschmidt, I stand by my statement. This was not built as a student horn. There is no reason that with a proper rebuild, that this sax wouldn&#8217;t play as well as any of its vintage pro counterparts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Unfortunately I didn&#8217;t have my camera with me the day I visited Kevin, so I&#8217;ll have to take it along the next time to capture some of this\u00a0sax&#8217;s\u00a0peculiarities.\u00a0For example, the tone holes for the left palm keys are the tiniest I have ever seen on an alto saxophone. Compared to the ones found on my Hammerschmidt alto, they are just over 1\/2 the size. (I\u2019m guessing here, since I didn\u2019t have the horns side by side, but I think I\u2019m pretty close.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">For more in-depth discussion about this La Fleur&#8217;s possible pedigree, please see <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=15186&amp;cpage=1#comment-6744\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">the comment below<\/span><\/a><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"> where I quote former Saxpics owner Pete Hales, who gave his input into this unusual vintage horn. <\/span><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: left; margin: 0px auto; width: 500px; border: #25e925 0px solid; padding: 10px;\">\n<div style=\"text-align: right; padding-bottom: 10px; line-height: 24px; margin-top: 10px; width: 285px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia; margin-bottom: 10px; float: right; color: #aaff66; margin-left: 10px; font-size: 28px;\">&#8230;this is just <span style=\"color:#fe4899;\">my <em>blog<\/em>. <\/span><span style=\"color:#66aaff\">My <strong>\u201creal\u201d <\/strong>website is<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\">www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> <span style=\"color:#66aaff\">If you\u2019re looking for <\/span><span style=\"color:#fe4899;\"><strong>sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should <span style=\"color:#aaff66\">check it out too.<\/span><span style=\"color:#fe4899;\">There\u2019s <em>lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Edit: I have since met the man who bought this La Fleur. 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