{"id":29696,"date":"2012-01-10T10:58:12","date_gmt":"2012-01-10T18:58:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=29696"},"modified":"2024-05-29T10:09:35","modified_gmt":"2024-05-29T17:09:35","slug":"selmer-mark-vi-owners-club-survey-results-follow-up","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/selmer-mark-vi-owners-club-survey-results-follow-up\/","title":{"rendered":"Selmer Mark VI Owners Club Survey Results: A Follow-Up"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As I mentioned in an article&nbsp;on <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=14023\">November 8, 2009<\/a>, way back in November 2007, I started <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?71619-Selmer-Mark-VI-Owners-Club\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a thread on SOTW<\/a> about the oh so contentious, Selmer Mark VI saxophones.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Pant-Guard.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"29700\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/selmer-mark-vi-owners-club-survey-results-follow-up\/pant-guard-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Pant-Guard.jpg?fit=1000%2C750&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,750\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Pant Guard\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Pant-Guard.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-29700 size-full\" title=\"Pant Guard\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Pant-Guard.jpg?resize=1000%2C750&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"pant guard, Selmer Mark VI baritone saxophone\" width=\"1000\" height=\"750\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Pant-Guard.jpg?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Pant-Guard.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Pant-Guard.jpg?resize=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s so contentious about them you ask? Well I actually couldn&#8217;t tell you. You&#8217;d have to ask some of the 39,000+ members of SOTW\u2014of which only 6,144 were active as of this morning\u2014who regularly used to have lots of negative opinions of the these horns.&nbsp;Some&nbsp;went as far as to flame owners of said horns for just owning them, or speaking positively about their experiences with these French saxophones.<\/p>\n<p>Is it simply a case a saxual envy? I&#8217;ve always thought so. But hey, I own a set of VIs, so I&#8217;ve found my flame retardant suit useful on more than one occasion. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know if this hatred for the VI is still alive and well on SOTW, because honestly, I don&#8217;t spend much time on the board anymore.&nbsp;When I do have a chance to drop in, I tend to avoid the threads that&nbsp;are just a rehash of what I&#8217;ve read since&nbsp;&#8217;98 or &#8217;99. (When I first joined&nbsp;what would become the world&#8217;s largest online sax community.)&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Having said this, I do like to catch up on the threads that I&#8217;ve participated in, or that I have started. This is why, from time to time, I&nbsp;like to check in on my <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?71619-Selmer-Mark-VI-Owners-Club\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Selmer Mark VI Owners Club thread<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Mark-VI-Quartet.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"29702\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/selmer-mark-vi-owners-club-survey-results-follow-up\/mark-vi-quartet-4\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Mark-VI-Quartet.jpg?fit=1000%2C1771&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,1771\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Mark VI Quartet\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Mark-VI-Quartet.jpg?fit=500%2C885&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-29702 size-full\" title=\"Mark VI Quartet\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Mark-VI-Quartet.jpg?resize=1000%2C1771&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"baritone, tenor, alto, soprano, Selmer Mark VI saxophones\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1771\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Mark-VI-Quartet.jpg?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Mark-VI-Quartet.jpg?resize=169%2C300&amp;ssl=1 169w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Mark-VI-Quartet.jpg?resize=500%2C885&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This morning I looked in on the thread, and was happy to see that it was still alive and well. The latest post was just yesterday morning. People are still adding their Mark VIs to the poll, and respectfully discussing the horns in the 318 posts to date. So far no Selmer haters have dared rear their ugly heads.<\/p>\n<p>Certainly there were those people who chimed in with something like: &#8220;I sold my VI and bought a XXXX. Don&#8217;t regret it for a minute.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>But those posts are by far outnumbered by things like: &#8220;I sold my tenor serial XXXXXX&nbsp;in 19XX, and have regretted ever since. I can&#8217;t find another one like it.&#8221; Or something along those lines.<\/p>\n<p>As far as the poll itself, this is how the numbers breakdown as of this morning:<\/p>\n<table border=\"1\" width=\"671\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"5\" width=\"661\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri;\"><strong>View Poll Results:<\/strong> Which Mark VI Do You Own?<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"10\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">#<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\"># Increase over Nov.&nbsp; 8, 2009<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Sopranino<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: left;\" width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: left;\" width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">8<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: left;\" width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">1.45%<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align: left;\" colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+3<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Soprano<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">68<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">12.34%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+20<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Alto Low Bb<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">230<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">41.47%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+69<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Alto Low A<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">11<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">2%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+6<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Tenor<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">373<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">67.7%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+130<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Bari Low Bb<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">32<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">5.81%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+10<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Bari Low A<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">31<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">5.63%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+14<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Bass<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">2<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">0.36%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+2<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Other: I don\u2019t think I missed any. Did I?<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">7<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">1.27%<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+4<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"341\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">Multiple Choice poll. Total Voters<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"16\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"95\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">551<\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"97\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">&#8212;<\/span><\/td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" width=\"122\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri; font-size: small;\">+194<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Overall, the poll was remarkably consistent with <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=14023\">the last time I took the snapshot<\/a>. Percentage wise, slightly more sopranino, soprano,&nbsp;low A alto, and low&nbsp;A bari&nbsp;players have now participated, while the number of low Bb alto, tenor, and low Bb bari players has dropped slightly.<\/p>\n<p>Since November 2009, we&#8217;ve also had 2 bass players chime in, as well as seen an increase in the mysterious <em>Other<\/em> category.<\/p>\n<p>BTW, in none of the 300+ posts in this thread have I&nbsp;seen anyone describe what these <em>Other<\/em>&nbsp;horns are. I&#8217;d sure like to know, since we now have 7 out of&nbsp;762 horns being something <em>other<\/em>&nbsp;than S,S,A,T,B,B, with a couple of low A options thrown in.<\/p>\n<p>Is the poll scientific? No, but then it was never intended as a serious piece of research. It was intended to start some <em>constructive<\/em>&nbsp;dialogue about a model of saxophone, that has been hyped by ? (dealers, players, collectors, ???) to the point where&nbsp;it is&nbsp;beyond the means of the average player.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Upper-Stack-Neck.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"29734\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/selmer-mark-vi-owners-club-survey-results-follow-up\/upper-stack-neck\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Upper-Stack-Neck.jpg?fit=1000%2C750&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,750\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Left Hand Keys &amp;#038; Neck\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Upper-Stack-Neck.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-29734 size-full\" title=\"Left Hand Keys &amp; Neck\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Upper-Stack-Neck.jpg?resize=1000%2C750&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Selmer Mark VI tenor saxophone, left hand keys, Selmer logo on neck\" width=\"1000\" height=\"750\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Upper-Stack-Neck.jpg?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Upper-Stack-Neck.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Upper-Stack-Neck.jpg?resize=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I am just grateful that I&#8217;ve had my VIs for as many years as I have. The only one that I bought more recently was my bari\u2014which I bought in &#8217;98. The rest have been with me since my university days in the early 80s.<\/p>\n<p>Like many players who have participated in the poll, I cannot foresee myself parting with my Mark VIs. Yes, I might have a number of other saxophones. And yes, some of them I like better for certain applications, and play more often than my Mark VIs. However, when it comes to overall playability, and overall flexibility and adaptability, the Mark VI can best be described as a chameleon.<\/p>\n<p>The VI is adaptable enough to fit into any situation. Have a classical performance in the afternoon, followed by a show with a rock&nbsp;band in the evening? The VI can pull it off.&nbsp;The&nbsp;Super 20,&nbsp;not so much. It is this adaptability in part, which gives the Mark VI its widespread appeal.<\/p>\n<p>When I get my JK&nbsp;Toneking back in a couple of weeks, it will be interesting to compare\/contrast its ability to adapt,&nbsp;to that of&nbsp;the Mark VI. Will it be a Mark VI slayer? I should know by the end of the month.<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 500px; margin: 0px auto; text-align: left; border: 0px solid #25e925; padding: 10px;\">\n<div style=\"float: right; width: 285px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px; padding-bottom: 10px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia; font-size: 28px; line-height: 24px; color: #aaff66; text-align: right;\">&#8230;this is just <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">my <em>blog<\/em>. <\/span><span style=\"color: #66aaff;\"> My <b>\u201creal\u201d <\/b> website is<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\">www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> <span style=\"color: #66aaff;\">If you\u2019re looking for <\/span> <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\"> <strong>sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should <span style=\"color: #aaff66;\">check it out too.<\/span><span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">There\u2019s <em>lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As I mentioned in an article&nbsp;on November 8, 2009, way back in November 2007, I started a thread on SOTW about the oh so contentious, &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[14],"tags":[149,69,633,646,644,141,629,29,643,31],"class_list":["post-29696","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-selmer","tag-french-saxophones","tag-mark-vi-mystique","tag-musings","tag-on-line-resources","tag-photos","tag-sax-on-the-web","tag-selmer","tag-selmer-mark-vi","tag-vintage-horns","tag-vintage-sax"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 5.0.5 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"As I mentioned in an article on November 8, 2009, way back in November 2007, I started a thread on SOTW about the oh so contentious, Selmer Mark VI saxophones. 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