{"id":32222,"date":"2012-05-31T11:05:26","date_gmt":"2012-05-31T18:05:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=32222"},"modified":"2024-05-31T08:55:06","modified_gmt":"2024-05-31T15:55:06","slug":"c-a-wunderlich-saxophone-anyway","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/c-a-wunderlich-saxophone-anyway\/","title":{"rendered":"Just What Is A C.A. Wunderlich Saxophone Anyway?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>May 2024 Update:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/pix\/index.php?\/category\/caw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Check out Bassic Sax Pix<\/a> for more on C.A. Wunderlich horns, and further examples from 3 different manufacturers.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s a very good question. And one I spent quite a lot of time trying to find the answer to this morning.<\/p>\n<p>What sparked my interest in the topic, was this interesting <a href=\"http:\/\/cgi.ebay.de\/ws\/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemnext&amp;item=350569436058.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">C.A. Wunderlich tenor that&#8217;s for sale<\/a> on the German eBay site.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attached.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"32223\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/c-a-wunderlich-saxophone-anyway\/right-side-with-neck-attached\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attached.jpg?fit=776%2C481&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"776,481\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Right Side With Neck Attached\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attached.jpg?fit=500%2C309&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-32223 size-full\" title=\"Right Side With Neck Attached\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attached.jpg?resize=776%2C481&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"C.A. Wunderlich, tenor sax, German, vintage, silver-plated\" width=\"776\" height=\"481\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attached.jpg?w=776&amp;ssl=1 776w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attached.jpg?resize=300%2C185&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attached.jpg?resize=500%2C309&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 776px) 100vw, 776px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h6>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Source: klangtontechnik<\/h6>\n<p>The seller isn&#8217;t a sax player, and doesn&#8217;t have anything to offer up with regards to information about the horn. He does state that it will likely need some work (I figure a full restoration) before it is playable.<\/p>\n<p>Apparently the sax&#8217;s bell&nbsp;is engraved&nbsp;with: C.A. Wunderlich&nbsp;Siebenbrunn&nbsp;Vgtl.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Bell-Engraving2.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"32224\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/c-a-wunderlich-saxophone-anyway\/bell-engraving-58\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Bell-Engraving2.jpg?fit=800%2C600&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"800,600\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Bell Engraving\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Bell-Engraving2.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-32224 size-full\" title=\"Bell Engraving\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Bell-Engraving2.jpg?resize=800%2C600&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"C.A. Wunderlich, tenor sax, German, vintage, silver-plated\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Bell-Engraving2.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Bell-Engraving2.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/Bell-Engraving2.jpg?resize=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h6>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Source: klangtontechnik<\/h6>\n<p>This would make sense, because according to the research that I have done, the C.A. Wunderlich&nbsp;company was established:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;in 1854, and flourished in Siebenbrunn, Vogtland&nbsp;until about 1966. According to Dr. Enrico Weller it was established&nbsp;by Carl August Wunderlich (1826 &#8211; 1911) who was a skilled brass instrument maker.<\/p>\n<h6>Source: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rjmartz.com\/horns\/Wunderlich_087\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">C.A. Wunderlich page on rjmartz.com<\/a><\/h6>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Multiple other sources that I have come across, including the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.museum-markneukirchen.de\/forum\/viewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=1570&amp;hilit=c.a.+wunderlich\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Forum des Musikinstrumentenmuseums&nbsp;Markneukirchen<\/a>, state that C.A. Wunderlich did not build their own saxophones, but rather had them stencilled. But the question is by whom?<\/p>\n<p>It is worth noting that there are multiple references in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.saxontheweb.net\/vbulletin\/archive\/index.php\/t-7844.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">SOTW archives<\/a>,&nbsp;to C.A. Wunderlich&nbsp;saxophones&nbsp;with Nazi engraving. However, the 1&nbsp;saxophone that is shown&nbsp;in the photos, doesn&#8217;t bear any resemblance to the current tenor for sale on eBay. This confirms that there were indeed&nbsp;different companies that built horns for C.A. Wunderlich. Unfortunately, it doesn&#8217;t tell us&nbsp;who built the current tenor&nbsp;up for auction.<\/p>\n<p>An educated guess on my part is that&nbsp;Franz K\u00f6hler&nbsp;was the manufacturer. His workshop was located&nbsp;in Markneukirchen, and from&nbsp;roughly 1933 to 1960, built only saxophones. After 1961 his shop only did repairs.<\/p>\n<p>According to the research conducted by Uwe&nbsp;Ladwig,&nbsp;Franz K\u00f6hler&#8217;s early instruments featured: rolled tone holes, a fork Eb, as well as the G# and C\/D trill keys which were typical for the era.\u00b9<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately I don&#8217;t have enough Franz K\u00f6hler&nbsp;horns to compare this C.A. Wunderlich&nbsp;to. However, examining the photos of the tenor currently&nbsp;for sale, you can certainly see the features that Uwe&nbsp;mentions. And while other manufacturers like F.X. &amp; G.H. H\u00fcller, et al, also put these features on their horns, the telltale features like the left pinkie cluster, just don&#8217;t look like known brands. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m betting that this is a K\u00f6hler.<\/p>\nngg_shortcode_0_placeholder\n<h6>&nbsp;&nbsp;Source: klangtontechnik<\/h6>\n<p>Hey, I might be totally off-base. If I am, and you can say with certainty who the manufacturer of this C.A. Wunderlich tenor was, please chime in.<\/p>\n<p>If you are interested&nbsp;in making this vintage, German stencil horn yours, you have 3 days to get your bid in. <a href=\"http:\/\/cgi.ebay.de\/ws\/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemnext&amp;item=350569436058.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The auction for this C.A. Wunderlich tenor<\/a> ends on June 3. The Buy It Now price is \u20ac495.00, which <a href=\"http:\/\/www.xe.com\/ucc\/convert\/?Amount=495&amp;From=EUR&amp;To=USD\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">XE.com<\/a>&nbsp;estimates to be $612.63 US at the time of writing. The seller is also open to offers though, which surprisingly enough, no one has taken him up on.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>______________________________________________<\/p>\n<h6>\u00b9 Source: Uwe&nbsp;Ladwig, in der deutschen Fachzeitschrift\u2014German music journal\u2014<em>SONIC sax &amp; brass<\/em>.<\/h6>\n<div style=\"width: 500px; margin: 0px auto; text-align: left; border: 0px solid #25e925; padding: 10px;\">\n<div style=\"float: right; width: 285px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px; padding-bottom: 10px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia; font-size: 28px; line-height: 24px; color: #aaff66; text-align: right;\">&#8230;this is just <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">my <em>blog<\/em>. <\/span><span style=\"color: #66aaff;\"> My <b>\u201creal\u201d <\/b> website is<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\">www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> <span style=\"color: #66aaff;\">If you\u2019re looking for <\/span> <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\"> <strong>sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should <span style=\"color: #aaff66;\">check it out too.<\/span><span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">There\u2019s <em>lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>May 2024 Update: Check out Bassic Sax Pix for more on C.A. 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