{"id":32292,"date":"2012-06-06T09:44:03","date_gmt":"2012-06-06T16:44:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=32292"},"modified":"2024-06-01T10:53:03","modified_gmt":"2024-06-01T17:53:03","slug":"mark-vi-scam-craigslist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/mark-vi-scam-craigslist\/","title":{"rendered":"Can You Really Get A 5 Digit Mark VI Tenor For Under 2 Grand?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>You know that old adage: If something&#8217;s too good to be true, it probably is. Well such is definitely the case with a Mark VI tenor that some clown\u2014let&#8217;s call him &#8220;Adam&#8221;, since that&#8217;s the name he uses in his emails\u2014is trying to hawk on the <a href=\"http:\/\/vancouver.en.craigslist.ca\/van\/msd\/3040756835.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Vancouver craigslist<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"32298\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/mark-vi-scam-craigslist\/right-side-90\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side.jpg?fit=337%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"337,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Right Side\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side.jpg?fit=337%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-32298 size-full\" title=\"Right Side\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side.jpg?resize=337%2C450&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Selmer, Mark VI, tenor saxophone, French, vintage\" width=\"337\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side.jpg?w=337&amp;ssl=1 337w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side.jpg?resize=224%2C300&amp;ssl=1 224w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 337px) 100vw, 337px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h6>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Source: &#8220;Adam&#8221; on vancouver.en.craigslist.ca<\/h6>\n<p>This is how Adam describes the horn in the craigslist ad:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1958 Selmer Mark VI tenor saxophone, the saxophone came from a estate&nbsp;just as you see it,I have done nothing to it, looks like the original lacquer , pads are complete but has not been checked for leaks, keys function fine,I see no broken parts, the bell rim has a bend as you can see and a dent on bottom and near the serial number, neck looks good does not look bent no dents has matching serial number,not sure how long the sax&nbsp;has been setting,or played last, case is a little rough and has a musty smell.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Left-Side.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"32299\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/mark-vi-scam-craigslist\/left-side-69\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Left-Side.jpg?fit=337%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"337,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Left Side\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Left-Side.jpg?fit=337%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-32299 size-full\" title=\"Left Side\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Left-Side.jpg?resize=337%2C450&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Selmer, Mark VI, tenor saxophone, French, vintage\" width=\"337\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Left-Side.jpg?w=337&amp;ssl=1 337w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Left-Side.jpg?resize=224%2C300&amp;ssl=1 224w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 337px) 100vw, 337px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h6>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Source: &#8220;Adam&#8221; on vancouver.en.craigslist.ca<\/h6>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side-Lower-Portion.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"32300\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/mark-vi-scam-craigslist\/right-side-lower-portion-20\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side-Lower-Portion.jpg?fit=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"600,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Right Side Lower Portion\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side-Lower-Portion.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-32300 size-full\" title=\"Right Side Lower Portion\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side-Lower-Portion.jpg?resize=600%2C450&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Selmer, Mark VI, tenor saxophone, French, vintage\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side-Lower-Portion.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side-Lower-Portion.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Right-Side-Lower-Portion.jpg?resize=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h6>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Source: &#8220;Adam&#8221; on vancouver.en.craigslist.ca<\/h6>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Serial-No.-79986.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"32301\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/mark-vi-scam-craigslist\/serial-no-79986\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Serial-No.-79986.jpg?fit=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"600,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Serial No. 79986\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Serial-No.-79986.jpg?fit=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-32301 size-full\" title=\"Serial No. 79986\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Serial-No.-79986.jpg?resize=600%2C450&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Selmer, Mark VI, tenor saxophone, French, vintage\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Serial-No.-79986.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Serial-No.-79986.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/Serial-No.-79986.jpg?resize=500%2C375&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h6>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Source: &#8220;Adam&#8221; on vancouver.en.craigslist.ca<\/h6>\n<p>Now the ad was posted on May 27, and I first saw it on the June 1. My first thoughts were either&nbsp;that: 1. It&#8217;s a scam, or 2. Some guy doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s got.<\/p>\n<p>However, since he knows how to post an ad on craigslist, #1 seemed more likely, since&nbsp;any search engine will turn up about a bazillion hits on <em>Mark VI tenor saxophone.&nbsp;<\/em>Therefore, the&nbsp;chances&nbsp;were pretty good that&nbsp;the seller&nbsp;would be able to&nbsp;find out that the sax&nbsp;is worth more a whole lot more than $1,800.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>None the less, my curiosity got the better of me. I sent the seller an email through craigslist, and asked if the horn was still available. Then I waited&#8230; And waited&#8230;. And waited&#8230;. Finally on Tuesday morning (remember I emailed him on Friday), I received a reply from the supposed seller of this sax.<\/p>\n<p>This is what the email said:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Hello,<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for your interest in my 1958 Selmer Mark VI Tenor Saxophone 799xx. My asking price is $1,800.00. From the begining I want to tell you that I work for &#8220;Save The Children Foundation&#8221; and a couple of days ago I left Canada with my family and came to United Kingdom where I will stay for the next 6 months. I thought I&#8217;ll sell it before I left Canada, but I couldn&#8217;t. I had to take it with me because I had nowhere to leave it there.<\/p>\n<p>Even if I&#8217;m here you can buy it without problems. For this I suggest we use BDES Delivery to handle this in the safest way possible. I will pay all shipping fees.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks,<\/p>\n<p>Adam<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ha, I laughed my ass off at that one. You see, in the meantime someone on SOTW had started <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?180236-Selmer-79xxx-on-craigslist-1800-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a thread on this horn<\/a>. It seems the exact same&nbsp;sax, with the exact same&nbsp;craigslist ad,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/miami.craigslist.org\/mdc\/msd\/3048355006.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">currently appears&nbsp;in Miami.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>IMO, Adam is none too bright, since he used the exact same email to reply to another SOTW member&#8217;s inquiry about the supposed Miami horn. I guess Adam didn&#8217;t count on sax players comparing notes on a such a <em>steal of a deal,<\/em> on a 5 digit Mark VI.<\/p>\n<p>Bottom line: don&#8217;t buy anything on craigslist&nbsp;that you can&#8217;t see in person. And yes, if a deal looks too good to be true, it most likely really&nbsp;is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Update May 2024:<\/strong> Scams like this are obviously still going on. Now many of them have moved to Facebook Marketplace. Bottom line: If you can&#8217;t see the horn in person, or you don&#8217;t know the seller personally: DON&#8217;T BUY THE HORN.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 500px; margin: 0px auto; text-align: left; border: 0px solid #25e925; padding: 10px;\">\n<div style=\"float: right; width: 285px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px; padding-bottom: 10px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia; font-size: 28px; line-height: 24px; color: #aaff66; text-align: right;\">&#8230;this is just <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">my <em>blog<\/em>. <\/span><span style=\"color: #66aaff;\"> My <b>\u201creal\u201d <\/b> website is<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\">www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> <span style=\"color: #66aaff;\">If you\u2019re looking for <\/span> <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\"> <strong>sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should <span style=\"color: #aaff66;\">check it out too.<\/span><span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">There\u2019s <em>lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>You know that old adage: If something&#8217;s too good to be true, it probably is. 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