{"id":33693,"date":"2012-09-08T11:30:01","date_gmt":"2012-09-08T18:30:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=33693"},"modified":"2024-06-02T11:58:23","modified_gmt":"2024-06-02T18:58:23","slug":"condor-landed-time-dj-stencil","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/condor-landed-time-dj-stencil\/","title":{"rendered":"The Condor Has Landed, But This Time It’s A D&J Stencil"},"content":{"rendered":"

Just when we thought that we had seen all the names that D\u00f6rfler & J\u00f6rka<\/a> had stencilled their Toneking and The New King clone horns under, yet another turns up. This morning, while browsing for vintage horns, I happened across this Condor tenor on the German eBay site<\/a>.<\/p>\n

\"Condor,<\/a><\/p>\n

     Source: boplover<\/h6>\n

Just a quick glance gives the sax away as a D&J, and not a J. Keilwerth. The key guards with their mother of pearl, or erstaz MOP buttons, <\/a>are a tell-tale sign, as is the engraving. I can recognize those mountain peaks<\/a> anywhere…<\/p>\n

\"Condor,<\/a><\/p>\n

     Source: boplover<\/h6>\n

Like many owners\/sellers of the D&J horns, boplover thinks he has himself a genuine JK there. But as the old saying goes: Close, but no cigar.<\/p>\n

Here is how the seller describes this D&J-made Condor tenor:<\/p>\n

Julius Keilwerth stencil CONDOR vintage Tenor Saxophone serialnumber:10538 rare tenor saxophone from the 1950s built in Western Germany by Julius Keilwerth it has the same features,the short solid thumbrest and the rest of the construction is similar as JK<\/span> [emphasis added] some minor dings,needs repadding and welding on one place:the brace between bell and body rolled toneholes gold finish is gone for the greater part,nice engraving on the bell huge sound as all Keilwerth tenors have,this will be a monster horn after an overhaul no case,sold as is.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Note that even the seller states that the construction is similar to a Keilwerth\u2014not identical. As I’ve pointed out many times, D\u00f6rfler & J\u00f6rka made copies of The New King and Toneking saxophones. However, these were not JK stencils since they were not made by Keilwerth, which is why these saxes are different than true JK-made horns.<\/p>\nngg_shortcode_0_placeholder\n

  Source: boplover<\/h6>\n

The serial number, 10538, also doesn’t fit into the Keilwerth serial number<\/a> system, since clearly this sax was not made in 1937. (Keilwerth was still in Graslitz, and made saxophones that looked something like this<\/a> at the time.) The serial number does however fit with known D&J numbers<\/a>. This Condor tenor would be circa 1955.<\/p>\n

If you’d like to read all about D&J, and the saxophones that they built, be sure to check out the D\u00f6rfler & J\u00f6rka<\/a> page on my website. If you’re interested in reading about Julius Keilwerth saxophones, I have my newly completed JK sections<\/a> that might offer you something different from the same old, same old.<\/p>\n

For photos of the above-mentioned brands, I literally have hundreds. If you’d like to see some D&J horns, check out some of the 900+ images in the D\u00f6rfler & J\u00f6rka gallery<\/a> in Bassic Sax Pix. <\/p>\n

As far as the Condor tenor currently for sale on eBay<\/a> goes, the seller has bids set to start at \u20ac300.00. (xe.com<\/a> currently estimates that to be $384.44 US.) At the time of writing there were no bids on the horn yet. The auction is set to run until September 14.<\/p>\n

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…this is just my blog<\/em>. <\/span> My \u201creal\u201d <\/b> website is<\/span> www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> If you\u2019re looking for <\/span> sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should check it out too.<\/span>There\u2019s lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n
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Just when we thought that we had seen all the names that D\u00f6rfler & J\u00f6rka had stencilled their Toneking and The New King clone horns …<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[220],"tags":[665,660,151,644,218,198,630,643,31],"class_list":["post-33693","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dorfler-jorka","tag-dorfler-jorka","tag-ebay","tag-german-saxophones","tag-photos","tag-stencil-horn","tag-stencil-saxophone","tag-tenor-saxophone","tag-vintage-horns","tag-vintage-sax"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\t\n\t\t