{"id":33711,"date":"2012-09-10T08:39:06","date_gmt":"2012-09-10T15:39:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=33711"},"modified":"2024-06-02T11:53:54","modified_gmt":"2024-06-02T18:53:54","slug":"hear-that-crash-vintage-sax-market","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2012\/hear-that-crash-vintage-sax-market\/","title":{"rendered":"Some Interesting Thoughts About D&#038;J Saxophones By A Learned Repair Tech"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_24753\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-24753\" style=\"width: 448px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Right-Side1.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"24753\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2011\/its-a-horse-of-a-different-colour-but-its-still-a-dorfler-jorka\/right-side-70\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Right-Side1.jpg?fit=750%2C1674&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"750,1674\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Right Side\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Right-Side1.jpg?fit=448%2C1000&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-24753 size-large\" title=\"Right Side\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Right-Side1.jpg?resize=448%2C1000&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"448\" height=\"1000\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Right-Side1.jpg?resize=448%2C1000&amp;ssl=1 448w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Right-Side1.jpg?resize=134%2C300&amp;ssl=1 134w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/Right-Side1.jpg?w=750&amp;ssl=1 750w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 448px) 100vw, 448px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-24753\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ravoy Tenor 77XX&nbsp; Source: Kjell Lundman<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h6>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/h6>\n<p>For a few years now I have been researching and writing about the horns built by the German, saxophone-only manufacturer, <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/dorfler-jorka\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">D\u00f6rfler &amp; J\u00f6rka<\/a>. D&amp;J horns are very good copies of Julius Keilwerth horns, and thus share many of JK&#8217;s best features, especially the tone.<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday I happened to come across <a href=\"http:\/\/forum.saxontheweb.net\/showthread.php?206-Keilwerth-Stencils&amp;p=1736&amp;viewfull=1#post1736\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a 2003 post on SOTW,<\/a> by the late, great Steve Stransky, AKA Sarge, who founded and owned <a href=\"http:\/\/www.worldwidesax.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">World Wide Sax<\/a>. This is what he wrote about these vintage German saxophones:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Yep, I agree, the D\u00f6rfler and J\u00f6rka&#8217;s are great playing horns&#8230; I just did a custom repad on a Voss tenor (also a D\u00f6rfler and J\u00f6rka) for a very good customer and it <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>smoked<\/strong><\/span>&#8230; I think 1200.00 is a great bargain for it. [The price of the D&amp;J tenor being discussed in the thread.]&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>sarge<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>$1,200 for a D&amp;J tenor? (Mind you, the seller was adamant that the horn was a JK, which it apparently wasn\u2019t, hence the price.)<\/p>\n<p>The closest that I&#8217;ve seen to this price was $799 for a Voss tenor, and that was a rarity. More often than not, here in North America these tenors go for around or under $600\u2014if they go at all.<\/p>\n<p>[perfectpullquote align=&#8221;right&#8221; bordertop=&#8221;false&#8221; cite=&#8221;&#8221; link=&#8221;&#8221; color=&#8221;&#8221; class=&#8221;&#8221; size=&#8221;&#8221;]There\u2019s no law against owning more than one![\/perfectpullquote]<\/p>\n<p>What really surprised me however, was Sarge&#8217;s suggestion that the $1200 asking price for a D&amp;J tenor was a<em> great bargain<\/em>. Fast forward only a few short years, and you almost can&#8217;t give these horns away. What&#8217;s up with that anyway? <a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/wtf.gif?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"46751\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2018\/legere-reeds-the-olds-super-intonation-problems\/wtf\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/wtf.gif?fit=45%2C53&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"45,53\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"wtf\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/wtf.gif?fit=45%2C53&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-46751\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/wtf.gif?resize=45%2C53&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"45\" height=\"53\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>True, these horns are somewhat of an unknown in the vintage saxophone world. That said, more information is known about them now, than was when Sarge wrote this SOTW reply in 2003. If anything, you would think that the desirability, and\/or value of D&amp;J horns would have increased over the past decade.<\/p>\n<p>Vintage sax players\/owners are a fickle bunch. Also, the world&#8217;s economy has gone to hell in a hand basket, and the need for the necessities and essentials of life, has replaced the pursuit of luxury and non-essential items.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s face it, how many saxophones does the average player need? Realistically, 1, or at most 2 of each voice that they play. (And 2 only if they need a back-up because of constant gigging or touring.)<\/p>\n<p>As much as I love\u2014and live by\u2014Sarge&#8217;s motto: &#8220;There&#8217;s no law against owning more than one!&#8221;, for most players having a lot of horns makes no sense, and actually becomes somewhat of a liability. There is the original financial outlay; the upkeep if they are to be kept playable at all times; and the ongoing purchase of gear for the various horns: mouthpieces, reeds, stands, neck pouches, etc. etc. All these accessories start to add up over time.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s face it, if baby needs new shoes, or the Roxy needs a new mouthpiece, which is going to win out? Even a non-parent like me will buy the baby new shoes.&nbsp; \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 500px; margin: 0px auto; text-align: left; border: 0px solid #25e925; padding: 10px;\">\n<div style=\"float: right; width: 285px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px; padding-bottom: 10px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia; font-size: 28px; line-height: 24px; color: #aaff66; text-align: right;\">&#8230;this is just <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">my <em>blog<\/em>. <\/span><span style=\"color: #66aaff;\"> My <b>\u201creal\u201d <\/b> website is<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\">www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> <span style=\"color: #66aaff;\">If you\u2019re looking for <\/span> <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\"> <strong>sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should <span style=\"color: #aaff66;\">check it out too.<\/span><span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">There\u2019s <em>lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; For a few years now I have been researching and writing about the horns built by the German, saxophone-only manufacturer, D\u00f6rfler &amp; J\u00f6rka. 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