{"id":36017,"date":"2013-02-07T11:32:30","date_gmt":"2013-02-07T19:32:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=36017"},"modified":"2024-06-05T11:24:19","modified_gmt":"2024-06-05T18:24:19","slug":"the-vintage-saxophone-market-how-bad-is-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2013\/the-vintage-saxophone-market-how-bad-is-it\/","title":{"rendered":"The Risks Of The Current Vintage Sax Market"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Over the last few days I&#8217;ve been exchanging emails with a number of people who are vintage horn shopping. Some of these people live in North America, while some live abroad. Some are looking a sax for themselves, while others are shopping for a gift.<\/p>\n<p>One thing that all these potential buyers have in common, is that they are potentially buying vintage saxophones during a time when prices are depressed. If I&#8217;ve said it once, I&#8217;ve said it 100 times: this is great if you&#8217;re buying, but not so much if you&#8217;re selling.<\/p>\n<p>Before fall of 2008, the world was a different place. Those who shopped for a vintage sax couldn&#8217;t find anything under $1000 that wasn&#8217;t a beater horn\u2014unless they were extremely lucky. Oh what a recession will do. Now you can find lovely vintage horns, in nearly mint condition, for well under $1,000.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_36023\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-36023\" style=\"width: 1000px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"36023\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2013\/the-vintage-saxophone-market-how-bad-is-it\/right-side-with-neck-attach\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach.jpg?fit=1000%2C575&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,575\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach.jpg?fit=520%2C299&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"  wp-image-36023 size-full\" title=\"Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach.jpg?resize=1000%2C575&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"vintage sax, alto saxophone, Hohner President, Max Hohner-designed\" width=\"1000\" height=\"575\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach.jpg?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach.jpg?resize=300%2C172&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach.jpg?resize=520%2C299&amp;ssl=1 520w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck-Attach.jpg?resize=500%2C287&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-36023\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hohner President alto, Serial # 114XX, circa 1962.<br \/>This is one of the few horns I bought online. I bought it from a dealer I know, and have a really good relationship with. His asking price for this horn is normally around the $600 mark. I bought it during a sale week for not quite 1\/3 off. This is a smokin&#8217; little horn. I love it!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Although I have horns of American, French, German, and Italian origins, the vintage German saxophones are the ones that I have followed most closely over the past few years. This is in large part due to the fact that I&#8217;ve been researching and writing about these horns for <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">my website<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>During the course of my research I have watched the prices of vintage, German saxophones fall nearly through the floor. Horns that dealers would have had no problem selling a few years ago because of their rarity or condition, are going unsold because of their price.<\/p>\n<p>People just don&#8217;t want to pay dealer prices when they can pick up a minty horn privately through a local sale, or online. (Online of course always carries lots of risks. Check out <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/articles\/buying-on-line\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">this article<\/a> if you want to learn more about online sax shopping.)<\/p>\n<p>If you are in the market for a new saxophone, now is a good time to shop. Since the economy has gone to hell in a handbasket, I have added about 7 vintage horns to my stable. Six of these have been mid-century German horns.<\/p>\n<p>However, and this is a big HOWEVER, I bought these horns for the long-term. I plan to play each of these horns now, and keep playing and enjoying them for as long as I can. When there comes a time that I can no longer play them, and the economy is better\u2014in other words I won&#8217;t lose money on them\u2014only then will I sell them.<\/p>\n<p>I understand that if I tried to sell the saxophones that I have bought over the past 3 years now, I might break even, or more likely lose on some of them. (The ones I&#8217;ve had overhauled would likely be money-losers.)<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_36020\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-36020\" style=\"width: 1000px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"36020\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2013\/the-vintage-saxophone-market-how-bad-is-it\/right-side-with-neck-3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck.jpg?fit=1000%2C550&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,550\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Right-Side-With-Neck\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck.jpg?fit=520%2C286&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"  wp-image-36020 size-full\" title=\"Right-Side-With-Neck\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck.jpg?resize=1000%2C550&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"vintage sax, alto saxophone, Julius Keilwerth, Toneking, \" width=\"1000\" height=\"550\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck.jpg?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck.jpg?resize=300%2C165&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck.jpg?resize=520%2C286&amp;ssl=1 520w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/Right-Side-With-Neck.jpg?resize=500%2C275&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-36020\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Keilwerth-stencilled Jubilee, a stencil of a Toneking Serial # 286XX. Circa 1957<br \/>I picked up this minty horn for about $700 Cdn. from a friend, then spent a little more than that on an overhaul &amp; replacement angel wing from JK. All totalled, I&#8217;m into it for about $1600. This is a lovely horn. One of the nicest altos I have.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>There are a number of players I know who buy and sell saxophones regularly. Not because they are trying to make a buck on them, but because they are wanting to play vintage horns. Not just any vintage horn however, they are looking for <em>the one<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe it&#8217;s the one that will give them the sound that they&#8217;re craving. Perhaps it&#8217;s the one that feels right under the fingers. Or maybe it&#8217;s simple the one that will give them a certain status among their peers.<\/p>\n<p>Whatever the reason these players are searching for the one saxophone for them, every time they buy and sell a horn, they run the risk of losing money because of things like eBay and PayPal fees, shipping, taxes, etc. I&#8217;ve seen it first hand over and over again.<\/p>\n<p>As long as players understand ahead of time the risks associated with buying a vintage horn, and parting with it for whatever reason, now can certainly be a good time to add a vintage horn to your stable.<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 500px; margin: 0px auto; text-align: left; border: 0px solid #25e925; padding: 10px;\">\n<div style=\"float: right; width: 285px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px; padding-bottom: 10px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia; font-size: 28px; line-height: 24px; color: #aaff66; text-align: right;\">&#8230;this is just <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">my <em>blog<\/em>. <\/span><span style=\"color: #66aaff;\"> My <b>\u201creal\u201d <\/b> website is<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\">www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> <span style=\"color: #66aaff;\">If you\u2019re looking for <\/span> <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\"> <strong>sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should <span style=\"color: #aaff66;\">check it out too.<\/span><span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">There\u2019s <em>lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Over the last few days I&#8217;ve been exchanging emails with a number of people who are vintage horn shopping. 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