{"id":40321,"date":"2014-01-13T08:47:32","date_gmt":"2014-01-13T16:47:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=40321"},"modified":"2024-06-11T10:33:58","modified_gmt":"2024-06-11T17:33:58","slug":"another-transitional-hohner-president-alto","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2014\/another-transitional-hohner-president-alto\/","title":{"rendered":"Another Transitional Hohner President Alto"},"content":{"rendered":"

Update June 2024: <\/strong>See the updated Hohner page on the Bassic Sax<\/a> website for a complete breakdown of Transitional vs Phase 1, 2, & 3 horns. <\/p>\n

This morning I saw an interesting transitional Hohner President alto on eBay<\/a>. This alto, serial # 10742, is interesting because it has some features that are both from the old<\/em> and new<\/em> versions of the President saxophones.<\/p>\n

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Source: palaion on eBay.com<\/span><\/p>\n

Hohner Presidents were built under the supervision of Max Keilwerth. Production run from 1949 until after his death in 1968, and continued on until approximately 1972. Based on its serial #<\/a> this sax was made in 1961. From the research that I have done to date, the altos changed from old<\/em> to new<\/em> at approximately 12XXX.<\/p>\n

The features that changed in Hohner saxophones at approximately # 12XXX include the following:<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n
 <\/td>\nTone Holes<\/td>\nG # Key<\/td>\nBell to Body Brace<\/td>\nD\/D# Trill Key<\/td>\nHigh F# Key<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Pre 12XXX<\/td>\nRolled<\/a><\/td>\nWider on horn side & plain<\/a><\/td>\nStraight 2 posts jointed together<\/a><\/td>\nPresent<\/a><\/td>\nOptional<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Post 12XXX<\/td>\nStraight<\/a><\/td>\nHohner Logo & thinner on horn side<\/a><\/td>\nArched metal<\/a><\/td>\nDropped by at least #12813<\/a><\/td>\nPresent Post at least #12813<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

I have gathered examples of transitional horns in the past\u2014with the earliest being # 12030<\/a>. That horn however, had a combination of straight and rolled tone holes. This transitional Hohner President alto is interesting because it appears to still have rolled tone holes in both the bell…<\/p>\n

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Source: palaion on eBay.com<\/span><\/p>\n

… and the body tube.<\/p>\n

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Source: palaion on eBay.com<\/span><\/p>\n

The new feature it does have, is the new style bell to body brace. Note however, that it still has the high D\/D# trill key.<\/p>\n

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Source: palaion on eBay.com<\/span><\/p>\n

Although the seller doesn’t provide a photo of the left side, from the following photo we can see that this transitional Hohner President alto has the new style left pinkie cluster…<\/p>\n

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Source: palaion on eBay.com<\/span><\/p>\n

Unfortunately we can’t see the left palm keys, but from the photo above, it doesn’t appear as if this horn has a high F# key. Note how high the key is on #14805<\/a>. It is touching the bottom of the socket.<\/p>\n

The reason that this particular alto (#10742) caught my eye, is that it is lower in serial number than my Hohner alto. My alto, # 114XX<\/a>, is old style in all regards. It has none of the features found in the newer version of the Hohner President that we saw post 12XXX.<\/p>\n

I do find it odd that Hohner had newer parts already when they built #10742, yet used none of these parts in certain later horns. For example, to my knowledge with Conn<\/a>, another brand that had transitional horns, we usually don’t see a full New Wonder horn, after the transitional series started. (The transition in that case was to the Artist series.)<\/p>\n

The seller’s ad offers nothing to explain anything about this vintage alto, or Hohners in general. (Although he is fond of YELLING.)  \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

VINTAGE GERMAN SAXOPHONE “HOHNER PRESIDENT” WITH CASE.<\/p>\n

SOLD AS IS.<\/p>\n

RETURNS ARE ACCEPTED ONLY IN CASE THAT THE ITEM IS RETURNED IN THE SAME CONDITION THAT THE BUYER RECEIVES IT.<\/span><\/p>\n

THE REASON OF THE RETURN SHOULD BE BASED ON FACTS THAT WE HAVE NOT REFERRED TO.<\/span><\/p>\n

FREE SHIPPING BY REGISTERED MAIL.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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If this transitional Hohner President alto floats your boat, you’ve got a few days left to do some research. The auction<\/a> for this vintage, German alto saxophone ends on January 18. Bids are to start at $899.99. As of the time of writing, there were no bids on this Hohner alto yet.<\/p>\n

If you’d like to read more about the Hohner President saxophones, check out this page<\/a> on my website. If you’d like to thumb through a virtual gallery of these saxophones, check out my Hohner President galleries on Bassic Sax Pix<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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…this is just my blog<\/em>. <\/span> My \u201creal\u201d <\/b> website is<\/span> www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> If you\u2019re looking for <\/span> sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should check it out too.<\/span>There\u2019s lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n
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Update June 2024: See the updated Hohner page on the Bassic Sax website for a complete breakdown of Transitional vs Phase 1, 2, & 3 …<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[299],"tags":[625,68,660,151,675,673,644,643,31,136],"class_list":["post-40321","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-hohner-president","tag-alto-saxophone","tag-bassic-sax","tag-ebay","tag-german-saxophones","tag-hohner-president","tag-max-keilwerth","tag-photos","tag-vintage-horns","tag-vintage-sax","tag-vintage-sax-resources"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\t\n\t\t