{"id":43994,"date":"2015-10-27T07:40:11","date_gmt":"2015-10-27T14:40:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=43994"},"modified":"2024-06-21T08:59:28","modified_gmt":"2024-06-21T15:59:28","slug":"weltklang-vs-blue-label-baritones","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2015\/weltklang-vs-blue-label-baritones\/","title":{"rendered":"Weltklang vs Blue Label Baritones"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones: What are the differences?<\/h2>\n<p>On the<a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/veb-blechblas-und-signal-instrumenten-fabrik-bs\/bs-aka-blue-label\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> B&amp;S model page<\/a> of my website I list the main differences between the Weltklang and the step-up model B&amp;S saxophones. Although not all of the features of B&amp;S blue saxophones are found on the blue label bari, those that are include:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Tone hole placement: &#8211; the blue label horns have <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/1966-Selmer-Mark-VI-low-A-alto-disassembled-front-view..jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">offset tone holes<\/a> like modern saxophones do, rather than inline ones.<\/li>\n<li>Left pinkie cluster: the B&amp;S had their G#, C#, B, and Bb keys <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/Left-Pinkie-Cluster.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">coupled together<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>In addition to these differences that all B&amp;S blue label saxes shared, the baritones differed greatly in one other area: bell construction.<\/p>\n<h2>Bell construction on the Weltklang baritone<\/h2>\n<p>I have not seen a Weltklang baritone that wasn&#8217;t keyed down to low A. I&#8217;m not aware that they made any low Bb baris. However, when they added the low A, they choose to use a method similar to the one that Conn employed with their 11M. Weltklang simply added a cylindrical tube between the horn&#8217;s bow and the bell to give it the length it needed to obtain the extra \u00bd step.<\/p>\n<p>The cylindrical tube interrupts the saxophone&#8217;s intended conical bore&#8230;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_8452\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8452\" style=\"width: 1600px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-8452 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg?resize=1174%2C740\" alt=\"Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones, Weltklang baritone sax, bari sax, silver sax\" width=\"1174\" height=\"740\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8452\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cylindrical bell construction on Weltklang bari # 3836 Source: vsvs2002 on eBay.com<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&#8230; And if you compare it to that of the Conn 11M, it is even longer. Therefore the bell&#8217;s attached conical bore is even shorter.<\/p>\n<p>Does this make a difference to the way a Weltklang plays vis-\u00e0-vis an 11M? I don&#8217;t know since I haven&#8217;t play tested them, but that would be an interesting comparison\/contrast to do with two well playing, well-adjusted horns.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_8451\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8451\" style=\"width: 1600px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-8451 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?resize=1174%2C773\" alt=\"1969 11M Ad, Conn baritone saxophone, Conn low A bari sax, Conn 11M print ad, vintage print ad\" width=\"1174\" height=\"773\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8451\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">1969 Conn 11M Ad Source: ANTIQUE~GRAPHIQUE on eBay.com<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2>B&amp;S blue label baritones<\/h2>\n<p>Unlike Weltklang&#8217;s cylindrical tube insertion, the blue label B&amp;S baritones\u2014which were built from 1981 onward\u2014had their bells constructed in one piece. The B&amp;S blue label bari&#8217;s bell was thus a continuation of the conical bore the saxophone was intended to have.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_8454\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8454\" style=\"width: 2000px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-8454 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg?resize=1174%2C413\" alt=\"Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones, B&amp;S baritone saxophone, blue label bari sax, low A bari sax, \" width=\"1174\" height=\"413\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8454\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">B&amp;S bari Condor model, serial # ?. Source: Andr\u00e9 Milandro<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2>Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones: Which is better?<\/h2>\n<p>I certainly cannot answer that, since I haven&#8217;t played either. Even if I had, &#8220;better&#8221; is often subjective, and open to personal feelings and opinions. That said, I do own a <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/Right-Side.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2004 Medusa bari<\/a>. (<a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/modern-saxes\/vogtlandische-musikinstrumentenfabrik-gmbh-markneukirchen-vmi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Made by VMI,<\/a> and a successor to these horns.) Is it &#8220;better&#8221; than my Mark VI? No. Is it better than my Committee III? No. It is however, a very different animal to both of them, and if I ever truly <em>need<\/em> a low A bari, it is the one that gets the gig.<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 500px; margin: 0px auto; text-align: left; border: 0px solid #25e925; padding: 10px;\">\n<div style=\"float: right; width: 285px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px; padding-bottom: 10px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia; font-size: 28px; line-height: 24px; color: #aaff66; text-align: right;\">&#8230;this is just <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">my <em>blog<\/em>. <\/span><span style=\"color: #66aaff;\"> My <b>\u201creal\u201d <\/b> website is<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bassic-sax.info\">www.bassic-sax.info.<\/a> <span style=\"color: #66aaff;\">If you\u2019re looking for <\/span> <span style=\"color: #fe4899;\"> <strong>sax info<\/strong>,<\/span> you should <span style=\"color: #aaff66;\">check it out too.<\/span><span style=\"color: #fe4899;\">There\u2019s <em>lots<\/em> there! <\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones: What are the differences? 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