{"id":47064,"date":"2018-06-22T10:17:21","date_gmt":"2018-06-22T17:17:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=47064"},"modified":"2024-06-26T16:27:24","modified_gmt":"2024-06-26T23:27:24","slug":"compare-contrast-5-orsi-bass-saxophones","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2018\/compare-contrast-5-orsi-bass-saxophones\/","title":{"rendered":"Compare\/contrast 5 Orsi bass saxophones"},"content":{"rendered":"

Updated: I wrote an updated version of this article in December 2020 where I compare 7 Orsi bass saxophones<\/a>. At this point I am keeping this here primarily for the comments.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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It has been a long while since I’ve written anything about bass saxophones, so when I saw this Orsi bass sax on eBay<\/a> a couple of days ago, it got me thinking. I sent an email to the seller to get a clarification on the horn’s range, but he informed me that the bass was no longer available. He was however, kind enough to answer my questions about the number of palm keys that his Orsi bass sax had.<\/p>\n

Orsi bass saxophones are not very common. Therefore I believe comparing\/contrasting this one to the others that I have seen over the years might be a very useful exercise.<\/a><\/p>\n

Orsi bass saxophone, model 119F, serial # 4269<\/a><\/h3>\n
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The most recent seller described his Orsi bass like this:<\/p>\n

Hi and welcome to this listing for my Orsi bass saxophone \u2013 an extremely expensive instrument when first purchased, bass saxophones typically cost roughly \u00a320,000 new!<\/p>\n

Whilst you may not have heard of Orsi if you’re from an alto\/tenor sax background, they are a very well respected maker of these instruments and one of only a couple in the world that make contra-bass saxophones.<\/p>\n

The sax was bought several years ago from John Packer Music in the UK. ….This sax is in fantastic cosmetic and playing condition and comes complete with its crook, mouthpiece + ligature (very expensive on their own!), a set of new reeds and its original wheeled case. The sax plays very nicely, although it’s certainly more challenging to play than any other type. It’s hard to describe the feeling of playing the low B? on this \u2013 it’s earth shaking!<\/p>\n

All pads, keys, springs and mechanisms seal and work perfectly. There are three very insignificant dings on the crook, and a couple of scratches to the lacquer on the body of the sax \u2013 otherwise it’s essentially like new, complete with original Orsi polishing cloth!…..<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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The seller did tell me that the horn has 3 left and 3 right palm keys, and is indeed keyed to high F.<\/p>\n

BTW, it might be worth noting that this Orsi bass sax was listed for \u00a34,750.00 (approx. $6,258.60 US according to eBay).<\/p>\n

Orsi bass saxophone, model 119F, serial # 3547<\/a><\/h3>\n

In September 2015 another modern Orsi bass sax appeared on eBay. This one looked a bit different in its keywork, and was described by the seller like this:<\/p>\n

orsi sax basso in sib mod. sa119f<\/p>\n

Sax Basso, modello professionale, discendende al Sib, ascendente al Fa#….<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Not being up on my Italian, I had to rely on Google Translate (along with my own common sense) for the following:<\/p>\n

orsi bass sax in Bb mod. sa119f<\/p>\n

Sax Bass, professional model, descendants to the Bb, ascendant to the Fa # ….<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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I don’t know about you, but I’m having a hard time seeing a high F# key on this horn. So me thinks that Fa# is not the same as F#. I have not had any joy in any translation sites getting an answer. Anyone up on their Italian? Please comment and clarify this us. Thanks!<\/p>\n

Also, Orsi used a very different left palm key layout in this bass sax. This is very different than what we see in bass 4269<\/a> that was just on eBay.<\/p>\n

I guessing that the high Eb key perhaps has two stages of opening, which could explain its shape? In stage 1 it acts like a normal D#\/Eb key does. If the horizontal portion is pressed though, it might act like a high F lever. I’m just guessing here. If someone can come up with a better theory, or if someone has an Orsi bass like this, please leave a comment below. Thanks!<\/a><\/p>\n

Orsi Normal Bass Saxophone, serial # 2935<\/a><\/h3>\n

To add even further confusion into the mix, in March 2015, a music store in Italy listed a Concertino model bass on eBay. The vintage Orsi catalogue that I was sent years ago does have a page dedicated to the student model instruments<\/a>, but shows the Concertino models as having the full range from Bb-F.<\/p>\n

However, it is the Normal model tenor with the limited range of B-F. Although not shown in the catalogue, I suspect that Orsi also at some point made at Normal Bass Sax, with a limited range from B-Eb. This would make sense, since the Orsi catalogue does show the Improved Bass Sax<\/a> with a regular pinkie cluster, as well as a low Bb key.<\/p>\n

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Anyone else find it odd that Orsi would go to the expense of silver (nickel?) plating a student model horn with a limited key range?<\/a><\/p>\n

Orsi-stencilled Martelle bass saxophone, serial # 2037<\/a><\/h3>\n

Way back in January 2012<\/a> I originally wrote about this Orsi stencil. It appears to be a stencil of their Improved Bass Sax.<\/p>\n

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Note the unusually large bell that this bass has. This is a feature we see in Orsi saxophones of that era all the time. Quite frankly, this horn looks like the big brother of my Orsi-stencilled La Monte<\/a>. <\/a><\/p>\n

Orsi-stencilled Metro bass saxophone, serial # A4149<\/a><\/h3>\n

Even further back in 2010<\/a> & 2009, this poor beater first made its rounds. This Metro bass sax was for sale multiple times, and even thru multiple dealers. It is to date the oldest Orsi bass saxophone that I have seen. <\/p>\n

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Summing this all this up in a chart<\/h3>\n

Updated June 2024<\/strong><\/p>\n

I have put together all 7 Orsi bass saxophones that I have seen together in one table. Please see the December 2020 article<\/a> for their images. <\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\t\n\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t
<\/td>Orsi #4269<\/th>Orsi #4248<\/th>Orsi #3547<\/th>Orsi #2935<\/th>Martelle #2037<\/th>Metro #A4149<\/th>Orsi #?<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n
Model
\n<\/td>		119F<\/td>?<\/td>119F<\/td>Concertino<\/td>Improved<\/td>?<\/td>Concertino<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Finish<\/td>Lacquer<\/td>Gold lacquer<\/td>Lacquer<\/td>Clear Lacquer? Silver? <\/td>Silver plated<\/td>Delacquerd<\/td>Lacquer with nickel plated keys<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Overall appearance<\/td>More modern<\/td>Vintage<\/td>More modern<\/td>Vintage<\/td>Vintage<\/td>Vintage<\/td>Vintage
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Style<\/td>Long wrap (vintage American style)<\/td>Long wrap (vintage American style)<\/td>Long wrap (vintage American style)<\/td>Long wrap (vintage American style)<\/td>Long wrap (vintage American style)<\/td>Long wrap (vintage American style)<\/td>Long wrap (vintage American style)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Construction<\/td>Post to body<\/td>Post to body<\/td>Post to body<\/td>Post to body<\/td>Post to body<\/td>Post to body<\/td>Post to body<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Type<\/td>Pro<\/td>Intermediate?<\/td>Pro<\/td>Student<\/td>Pro? <\/td>?<\/td>Student<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Range<\/td>Bb-F<\/td>Bb-Eb <\/td>Bb-F (F#)<\/td>B-Eb<\/td>Bb-Eb<\/td>B-Eb<\/td>B-Eb<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
# of L palm keys<\/td>3<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>2?<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
# of R palm keys<\/td>3<\/td>1<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>1?<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Bis Bb?<\/td>Yes<\/td>No<\/td>Yes<\/td>No<\/td>Yes<\/td>Yes<\/td>No<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Bell keys<\/td>Right-sided<\/td>Right-sided<\/td>Right-sided<\/td>Left-sided low B<\/td>Left-sided<\/td>Left-sided <\/td>Right-sided low B<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Left pinkie cluster<\/td>Compact, more modern with 4 rollers<\/td>Old-style with 4 vertical keys, no rollers<\/td>Compact, more modern with 4 rollers<\/td>Old-style 3 keys with no rollers (?)<\/td>Old-style with 3 rollers<\/td>Old-style with the nail file G#, 3 rollers<\/td>Old-style 3 keys with 2 rollers<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
# of strap rings<\/td>2<\/td>3<\/td>2<\/td>3<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Key guards<\/td>Sheet metal with felt showing through adjustment holes<\/td>Sheet metal with felts showing through adjustment holes<\/td>Sheet metal with mini-decorative \"pearls\" on the bell keys, and felt showing through the adjustment hole on the bow<\/td>Sheet metal with mini decorative \"pearls\"\u00a0<\/td>Sheet metal with mini decorative \"pearls\"\u00a0<\/td>Wire<\/td>Sheet metal with mini decorative \"pearls\" missing<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
F# key guard<\/td>Yes<\/td>No F# key<\/td>Yes <\/td>No F# key<\/td>No <\/td>No<\/td>No F# key<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Pant guard<\/td>2<\/td>No<\/td>3<\/td>No<\/td>Most likely not<\/td>No <\/td>No<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n\n

Say what you will about Orsi as a saxophone maker, but at least they put a bis Bb key on all but their least expensive bass saxes. I would love to have that key on my Buescher!<\/p>\n

These five Orsi bass saxophones show a clear evolution in their design. This is arguably more evolution than either of the two big American bass saxophone manufacturers showed in their designs. Furthermore, Orsi continued building American-style bass saxophones for decades after the Buescher and Conn had become only shadows of their former selves, and ceased all bass sax production.<\/p>\n

Some concluding thoughts about Orsi<\/h3>\n

Orsi saxophones have never enjoyed a splendid reputation in the English-speaking world. I cannot speak to their overall quality, since my experience with them is limited to a stencil of their Concertino model tenor.<\/p>\n

That said, this student model tenor still plays and sounds better today\u2014despite hanging on the wall<\/a> for 20+ years as well as enduring 2 X-country moves\u2014than many new, just out of the box, student model horns. I also suspect that it will be playable long after today’s student horns have been re-purposed or recycled.<\/p>\n

As for the quality and playability of their bass saxophones, I would love to be able to try one some day and determine that for myself.<\/p>\n

A few years ago a rumor was circulating within the saxophone community that Orsi stopped saxophone production. It didn’t help matters that their website was only in Italian, and not accessible to the English-speaking world, and more often than not, emails in English to the company never received a reply.<\/p>\n

In doing research for this article I took a look at their site again<\/a>, and realized that they have updated it, and included English in at least some parts.<\/p>\n

One of the sections in English is their Products page<\/a>, which lists only 4 models of saxophones:<\/p>\n