{"id":48196,"date":"2019-05-20T11:10:51","date_gmt":"2019-05-20T18:10:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=48196"},"modified":"2024-06-26T08:56:48","modified_gmt":"2024-06-26T15:56:48","slug":"phase-1-hohner-president-tenor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2019\/phase-1-hohner-president-tenor\/","title":{"rendered":"Phase 1 Hohner President Tenor"},"content":{"rendered":"

A Phase 1 Hohner President tenor and what it tells us about the evolution of Max Keilwerth saxophones<\/h3>\n

In early April 2019, I happened across this interesting, and quite rare, Phase 1 Hohner President tenor sax on eBay<\/a>. Unfortunately the horn sold before I could email any questions to the owner.<\/p>\n

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If you’re not familiar with what I mean by Phase 1, after years of extensive research into the Hohner Presidents, I came up with a classification system for the brand based on their features. You can read all about it on the Hohner page of my website<\/a>.<\/p>\n

The seller of this very-vintage Hohner President described the tenor like this:<\/p>\n

Vendo sassofono tenore argentado d’epoca (VINTAGE ) prodotto da Max Keilwerth, uno dei primi sassofoni realizzati per Hohner, marchiato HOHNER PRESIDENT, non ha un numero di serie nel corpo, ma se il collo (39), un sax molto solido, ha ancora le cuscinetti originali debe essere sostituito, laccato in buone condizioni, data l’et\u00e0, presenta diversi macchia nera, vedi foto boccaglio originale e gli accessori sono inclusi.<\/p>\n

Spedizione in Italia 50 euro, Union Europea 70 euro, fuori Europa (EEUU) 120 euro.<\/p>\n

I sell vintage argentado tenor saxophone (VINTAGE) produced by Max Keilwerth, one of the first saxophones made for Hohner, branded HOHNER PRESIDENT, does not have a serial number in the body, but if the neck (39), a very solid sax, has still the original bearings must be replaced, lacquered in good condition, given the age, has several black spots, see original mouthpiece photos and accessories are included.<\/p>\n

Shipping in Italy 50 euros, European Union 70 euros, out of Europe (EEUU) 120 euros.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Unfortunately not all aspects of the horn were shown in the photos the seller provided. However, the ones that were on eBay, were crystal clear and showed great detail.<\/p>\n

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At first I didn’t think all that much about this tenor, but then I remembered some research I was doing into the various permutations of Presidents. This unassuming tenor added an interesting set of data points into what was already an unusual model of Max Keilwerth-made saxophone.<\/p>\n

Making sense of many types of Presidents<\/h3>\n

It just wouldn’t be a Bassic Sax article without a chart, now would it? \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n

Rather than trying to describe all the variables I have come across; I have put together a chart to help make sense of things. The atypical Presidents are listed before the model they most closely resemble.<\/p>\n

Links to photos illustrating the features noted are provided. All of these links are on my website somewhere\u2014either in one of my galleries, somewhere on this blog, or on the the website itself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Features<\/td>\nPresident tenor no serial # or MK Logo<\/em> (full picture set<\/a>)<\/td>\nMK-made Presidents pre-Hohner<\/td>\nPhase 1 Hohner President no serial # or Hohner Logo<\/em> (the horn from current eBay ad)<\/td>\nHohner-branded MK saxes<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Microtuner<\/td>\nnot present<\/td>\nPresent on both alto and tenor<\/a><\/td>\nnot present<\/a><\/td>\nNot present<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Neck brace<\/td>\n“man in the moon”<\/a><\/td>\n“man in the moon”<\/a><\/td>\nreinforced simple brass piece<\/a><\/td>\nreinforced simple brass piece<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Neck fastening screw<\/td>\nwing nut<\/a><\/td>\nwing nut<\/a><\/td>\nNot shown in pics but lyre screw holder is conventional so neck fastening screw likely is as well<\/a><\/td>\nround thumb screw with crosshatch pattern<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Tone holes<\/td>\nbevelled<\/a><\/td>\ndrawn & rolled<\/a><\/td>\nbevelled<\/a><\/td>\nbevelled (pre 25XX)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\nstraight (pre 25XX)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\nrolled (25XX-12XXX)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\nstraight (13XXX onwards)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Key Guards<\/td>\neyebrow<\/a><\/td>\nwire cage<\/a><\/td>\neyebrow<\/a><\/td>\n“eyebrow”<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n“eyebrow” post 72XX<\/a><\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Bell Keys<\/td>\nright-sided<\/td>\nright-sided<\/a><\/td>\nright sided<\/a><\/td>\nright-sided<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Bow Guard<\/td>\nrugged-edged, brass reinforcement<\/a><\/td>\nrugged-edged, brass reinforcement<\/a><\/td>\nprotruding reinforcement<\/a><\/td>\nprotruding reinforcement<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\nsimple, flat brass reinforcement<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Engraving<\/td>\nvery similar to 1<\/a><\/td>\n1<\/a><\/td>\nLess refined version of the Most Common <\/a><\/td>\nMost Common<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n2<\/a><\/td>\n <\/td>\nextremely rare 1<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n3<\/a><\/td>\n <\/td>\nextremely rare 2<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\nno President designation<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Logo<\/td>\nnone present<\/a><\/td>\nPure Tone Trade Mark<\/a><\/td>\nnone present<\/a><\/td>\nHohner Trade Mark <\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\nHohner accordian player post 10,500<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Range<\/td>\nlow Bb to high F<\/a><\/td>\nlow Bb to high F<\/a><\/td>\nlow Bb to high F<\/a><\/td>\nlow Bb to high F (pre-45XX)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\nlow Bb to high F# optional (45XX-13XXX)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\nlow Bb to high F# standard (13XXX onwards)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
G# key<\/td>\nwider on horn side and plain<\/a><\/td>\nwider on the horn side with crosshatch pattern<\/a><\/td>\nwider on horn side and plain<\/a><\/td>\nwider on the horn side and plain (pre-Transitional & Phase 3 horns)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\nwider on the horn side and plain post 73XX<\/a><\/td>\n <\/td>\nHohner log & thinner on horn side (13XXX onwards)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
G# trill key<\/td>\npresent<\/a><\/td>\npresent<\/a><\/td>\npresent<\/a><\/td>\npresent until 45xx<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
C\/D trill key<\/td>\npresent<\/a><\/td>\npresent<\/a><\/td>\npresent<\/a><\/td>\npresent until 125XX<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
bell to body support brace<\/td>\nstraight brace in the shape of the horn’s posts<\/a><\/td>\nstraight brace in the shape of the horn\u2019s posts<\/a><\/td>\nstraight brace in the shape of the horn’s posts<\/a><\/td>\na straight brace that had the shape of the horn\u2019s posts<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
 <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\n <\/td>\narched piece of brass (13XXX onwards)<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

So what does all this mean?<\/h3>\n

After pouring through all of these images, I have come to the following conclusions:<\/p>\n