{"id":61063,"date":"2025-09-14T10:47:43","date_gmt":"2025-09-14T17:47:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/?p=61063"},"modified":"2025-09-14T10:47:43","modified_gmt":"2025-09-14T17:47:43","slug":"john-burg-tenor-sax-by-dorfler-jorka","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2025\/john-burg-tenor-sax-by-dorfler-jorka\/","title":{"rendered":"John Burg tenor sax by D\u00f6rfler &#038; J\u00f6rka"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_61027\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-61027\" style=\"width: 475px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/13.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"61027\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2025\/john-burg-tenor-sax-by-dorfler-jorka\/13-3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/13.jpg?fit=1076%2C1280&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1076,1280\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"JB 8429 &amp;#8211; 13\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;John Burg tenor # 8429 by D&amp;#038;J &lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/13.jpg?fit=520%2C619&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-61027\" title=\"john burg bell engraving\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/13.jpg?resize=475%2C565&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"D&amp;J saxophone bell engraving, John Burg, lacquer saxophone, vintage German saxophone, D\u00f6rfler &amp; J\u00f6rka, tenor saxophone\" width=\"475\" height=\"565\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/13.jpg?resize=520%2C619&amp;ssl=1 520w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/13.jpg?resize=252%2C300&amp;ssl=1 252w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/13.jpg?resize=768%2C914&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/13.jpg?w=1076&amp;ssl=1 1076w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 475px) 100vw, 475px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-61027\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Burg tenor # 8429 by D&amp;J. Source: classicworldcoins on eBay.com<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>A few months ago I noticed another D\u00f6rfler &amp; J\u00f6rka (D&amp;J) made stencil horn that I had never seen before. I had come across the name John Burg Z\u00fcrich before, but I hadn&#8217;t seen one in the <em>wild<\/em>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>While this tenor doesn&#8217;t have any reference to Z\u00fcrich that we can see, this is none-the-less still a D&amp;J-made John Burg. It is possible that there are other John Burgs out there with the extra word <em>Z\u00fcrich,<\/em> but until I come across one with that engraving, this one illustrates the name nicely.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I was immediately struck by the fact that this was a lacquer horn like my De Villiers. Most D&amp;J horns I&#8217;ve come across are two-tone, with the rest being roughly evenly divided between lacquer and silver plate. The other thing that I noted about it was its condition. It appears to be in very fine shape, and even has most of its lacquer intact.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Although I can&#8217;t say with 100% certainty that this is the original MP that came with the horn, it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if it was. The lig &amp; cap line up with what we saw on other mid-century German saxophones such as Hammerschmidt, and of course JK.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Speaking of JK, I would be remiss if I didn&#8217;t state that this D&amp;J tenor #8429, circa 1957, is basically an acoustic copy of Keilwerth&#8217;s The New King. <strong>However, D&amp;J saxophones are NOT Keilwerth stencils.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>D\u00f6rfler &amp; J\u00f6rka was its own company with a history that is somewhat complicated, and completely interwoven with the Julius Keilwerth company. Please see the <a href=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/dorfler-jorka\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">D&amp;J page on Bassic Sax<\/a> to read about the company, and how the two companies worked together\u2014and sometimes not\u2014during the middle part of the 20th century.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>When I originally saw this this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ebay.com\/itm\/336123386523?itmmeta=01K530HX04CQGRSRV425YQAP6P&amp;hash=item4e4283da9b:g:4T8AAeSwLkVonKSl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">John Burg tenor for sale on eBay<\/a> it was listed for $1500 US. My reaction could best be summed up by this little old-time emoji <a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/roflmao.gif?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"9358\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2009\/the-canex-bass-saxophone\/roflmao\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/roflmao.gif?fit=30%2C18&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"30,18\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"roflmao\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/roflmao.gif?fit=30%2C18&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9358\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/06\/roflmao.gif?resize=30%2C18&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"30\" height=\"18\"><\/a>&nbsp; &nbsp;I mean you can get an unrestored 1957 Keilwerth Toneking or The New King for that kind of money.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday I noticed this D&amp;J tenor was still up for sale\u2014no surprise there\u2014but with a price closer to reality ($860 US). Only problem is the horn is located in Switzerland, so shipping costs will be rather brutal. Even in Europe shipping costs will be a consideration.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Photo gallery of John Burg #8429<\/h3>\nngg_shortcode_0_placeholder\n<h3>Who was John Burg?<\/h3>\n<p>Many manufacturers\u2014D&amp;J included\u2014simply made up stencil names. While they did indeed build horns for other companies on order, sometimes they just engraved a variety of names on the bell of identical horns <a href=\"#dullat\"><sup>1<\/sup><\/a>. I thought it might be possible that John Burg was one of these made-up names.<\/p>\n<p>I searched for the John Burg name online in various search engines and found something surprising: reeds sleeves for saxophones. It would appear that John Burg was in fact a music store that operated for a while in Z\u00fcrich. However, when I tried to see the location of the former shop through street view, I ran into a roadblock. It is on a pedestrian-only street, so there is no view of the building to see what it looks like now.<\/p>\nngg_shortcode_1_placeholder\n<h3>D&amp;J resources on Bassic Sax<\/h3>\n<p>Why only on Bassic Sax? It seems like I&#8217;m the only person who has cared enough to write about these horns. <a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/01\/winking0007.gif?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4865\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/2024\/aftermarket-replacement-jk-angelwings\/winking0007-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/01\/winking0007.gif?fit=15%2C15&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"15,15\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"winking0007\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/01\/winking0007.gif?fit=15%2C15&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-4865\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/01\/winking0007.gif?resize=15%2C15&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"15\" height=\"15\"><\/a> That said, to find out more about this brand, I encourage you to check out the following I pulled together over the last 15+ years:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/pix\/index.php?\/category\/977\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bassic Sax Pix<\/a> &#8211; The largest gallery of D&amp;J horns you will find anywhere!&nbsp;<\/li>\n<li>The <a href=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/dorfler-jorka\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">D&amp;J page on Bassic Sax<\/a> &#8211; Company history; horn features &amp; details; stencil names; serial # chart; JKs vs D&amp;J how they differed; etc, etc.&nbsp;<\/li>\n<li>A <a href=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/blog\/tag\/dorfler-jorka\/\">collection of D&amp;J articles<\/a> here, in the Bassic Sax Blog &#8211; the original series of articles I had and more as they get added. <a id=\"dullat\"><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr>\n<p><sup>1<\/sup> Faszination Saxophon: Der Saxophonbau auf deutschsprachigem Gebiet, by G\u00fcnter Dullat. 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