{"id":8432,"date":"2015-10-26T10:40:15","date_gmt":"2015-10-26T17:40:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/?page_id=8432"},"modified":"2021-01-04T10:51:34","modified_gmt":"2021-01-04T12:51:34","slug":"weltklang-vs-blue-label-baritones","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/veb-blechblas-und-signal-instrumenten-fabrik-bs\/weltklang-vs-blue-label-baritones\/","title":{"rendered":"Weltklang vs Blue Label Baritones"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones: What are the differences?<\/h2>\n<p>As I mentioned on the previous<a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/veb-blechblas-und-signal-instrumenten-fabrik-bs\/bs-aka-blue-label\"> B&amp;S model page<\/a>, the main differences between the Weltklang and the step-up model B&amp;S include*:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Tone hole placement: &#8211; the blue label horns have <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/1966-Selmer-Mark-VI-low-A-alto-disassembled-front-view..jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">offset tone holes<\/a> like modern saxophones do, rather than inline ones.<\/li>\n<li>Left pinkie cluster: the B&amp;S had their G#, C#, B, and Bb keys <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/Left-Pinkie-Cluster.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">coupled together<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>*Not all features of B&amp;S saxophones were found on baris. EG: high F# keys.<\/p>\n<p>In addition to these differences that all B&amp;S blue label saxes shared, the baritones differed greatly in one other area: bell construction.<\/p>\n<h2>Bell construction on the Weltklang baritone<\/h2>\n<p>I have not seen a Weltklang baritone that wasn&#8217;t keyed down to low A. I&#8217;m not aware that they made any low Bb baris. However, when they added the low A, they choose to use a method similar to the one that Conn employed with their 11M. Weltklang simply added a cylindrical tube between the horn&#8217;s bow and the bell to give it the length it needed to obtain the extra \u00bd step.<\/p>\n<p>The cylindrical tube interrupts the saxophone&#8217;s intended conical bore&#8230;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_8452\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8452\" style=\"width: 1600px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8452\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/veb-blechblas-und-signal-instrumenten-fabrik-bs\/weltklang-vs-blue-label-baritones\/right-side-lower-half-4\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg?fit=1600%2C1009&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1600,1009\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Right Side Lower Half\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg?fit=1024%2C646&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-8452 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg?resize=1429%2C901\" alt=\"Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones, Weltklang baritone sax, bari sax, silver sax\" width=\"1429\" height=\"901\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg?w=1600&amp;ssl=1 1600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg?resize=300%2C189&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg?resize=1024%2C646&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Right-Side-Lower-Half.jpg?resize=476%2C300&amp;ssl=1 476w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1429px) 100vw, 1429px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8452\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cylindrical bell construction on Weltklang bari # 3836 Source: vsvs2002 on eBay.com<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&#8230; And if you compare it to that of the Conn 11M, it is even longer. Therefore the bell&#8217;s attached conical bore is even shorter.<\/p>\n<p>Does this make a difference to the way a Weltklang plays vis-\u00e0-vis an 11M? I don&#8217;t know since I haven&#8217;t play tested them, but that would be an interesting comparison\/contrast to do with two well playing, well-adjusted horns.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_8451\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8451\" style=\"width: 1600px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8451\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/veb-blechblas-und-signal-instrumenten-fabrik-bs\/weltklang-vs-blue-label-baritones\/1969-11m-ad\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?fit=1600%2C1053&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1600,1053\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"1969 11M Ad\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?fit=1024%2C674&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-8451 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?resize=1429%2C940&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"1969 11M Ad, Conn baritone saxophone, Conn low A bari sax, Conn 11M print ad, vintage print ad\" width=\"1429\" height=\"940\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?w=1600&amp;ssl=1 1600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?resize=300%2C197&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?resize=1024%2C674&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/1969-11M-Ad.jpg?resize=456%2C300&amp;ssl=1 456w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1429px) 100vw, 1429px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8451\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">1969 Conn 11M Ad Source: ANTIQUE~GRAPHIQUE on eBay.com<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2>B&amp;S blue label baritones<\/h2>\n<p>Unlike Weltklang&#8217;s cylindrical tube insertion, the blue label B&amp;S baritones\u2014which were built from 1981 onward\u2014had their bells constructed in one piece. The B&amp;S blue label bari&#8217;s bell was thus a continuation of the conical bore the saxophone was intended to have.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_8454\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8454\" style=\"width: 2000px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8454\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/vintage-saxes\/european-made-saxes\/veb-blechblas-und-signal-instrumenten-fabrik-bs\/weltklang-vs-blue-label-baritones\/bs-condor_2-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg?fit=2000%2C704&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2000,704\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"BS-Condor_2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg?fit=1024%2C360&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-8454 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg?resize=1429%2C503\" alt=\"Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones, B&amp;S baritone saxophone, blue label bari sax, low A bari sax, \" width=\"1429\" height=\"503\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg?resize=300%2C106&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg?resize=1024%2C360&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/BS-Condor_2.jpg?resize=500%2C176&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1429px) 100vw, 1429px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8454\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">B&amp;S bari Condor model, serial # ?. Source: Andr\u00e9 Milandro<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2>Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones: Which is better?<\/h2>\n<p>I certainly cannot answer that, since I haven&#8217;t played either. Even if I had, &#8220;better&#8221; is often subjective, and open to personal feelings and opinions. That said, I did own a <a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/07\/Right-Side.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">2004 Medusa bari<\/a>. (<a href=\"http:\/\/bassic-sax.info\/version5\/modern-saxes\/vogtlandische-musikinstrumentenfabrik-gmbh-markneukirchen-vmi\">Made by VMI,<\/a> and a successor to these horns.) Was it &#8220;better&#8221; than my Mark VI? No. Was it better than my Committee III? No. It was however, a very different animal to both of them, and for nearly 15 years was my low A bari whenever I needed one.&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Weltklang vs Blue Label baritones: What are the differences? 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