Carl Schiller: Yet Another D&J Stencil Name

This entry is part 30 of 30 in the series Dörfler & Jörka Saxophones

Lately I haven’t seen much in eBay’s vintage saxophone listings that have been particularly interesting. That is, until today. This morning I happened across another Dörfler & Jörka stencil name that I hadn’t seen before: a Carl Schiller tenor saxophone.

Dörfler & Jörka, Carl Schiller,  saxophone bell, bell engraving, vintage German saxophone

Source: Esalevets Store

The bell engraving alone gives away this horn’s pedigree. The stencil badge and the mountain style peaks are the most common style of D&J engraving.

Dörfler & Jörka, Carl Schiller, tenor saxophone, sax keys, vintage German saxophone

Source: Esalevets Store

In the above photo, the following identifiers all point to this vintage saxophone’s Dörfler & Jörka origins:

Dörfler & Jörka, Carl Schiller, tenor saxophone, sax keys, vintage German saxophone

Source: Esalevets Store

D&J saxophones were copies of JK’s The New Kings and Tonekings. One thing that makes the D&J easily identifiable is their neck fastening screw. While many Dörfler & Jörka saxophones have lost their round thumb screws over the years, this Carl Schiller tenor still has not.

Dörfler & Jörka, Carl Schiller, tenor saxophone, clothes guard, vintage German saxophone

Source: Esalevets Store

The pant guard on this Carl Schiller tenor is classic D&J, as is the immovable, uncomfortable thumb rest. (I have mine padded with a rubber thumb guard.)

The seller of this D&J tenor describes the horn like this:

The instrument is in very good condition. Bell is round and true.

Signed on bell: Carl Schiller. Marked on back: 99 90 / Made in Western Germany.

Comes with a mouthpiece marked: Made in Italy. Also comes with a padded case in very good condition, albeit it does show some exterior wear on the edges..

Here are the remainder of the photos of this vintage, German saxophone, made by Dörfler & Jörka…

Source: Esalevets Store

Finally, it is worth noting that the 9990 serial number fits into the D&J serial numbers that we’ve seen to date. And the Made In Western Germany stamping immediately below the serial number is also what we see on D&J saxophones.

Check out the rest of the D&J stencil horns in my Bassic Sax Pix gallery to compare features and serial numbers. If you are interested in reading more about D&J saxophones, and the company history, be sure to check out the Dörfler & Jörka page on my website. I also have a separate page comparing the measurements of D&J and JK tenor necks.

If you are interested in making this Carl Schiller tenor saxophone your own, you only have a little over a day left. The auction for this D&J stencil horn ends on December 23. The Buy It Now price is $600.00, but the seller is open to offers. At the time of writing there were no offers.

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More Dörfler & Jörka Resources

This entry is part 29 of 30 in the series Dörfler & Jörka Saxophones
Dörfler & Jörka, tenor saxophone, vintage, German, black, silver,

D&J-made Boucet Tenor, # 90XX Source: Paul T.

Last month I finally got around to doing something that I’ve been meaning to do since the spring: I measured and photographed the sockets, tenons, and mouth pipe openings of my JK Toneking and D&J-made De Villiers tenor. Then I compared those measurements to the photos that were sent to me by a fellow in Austria last March.

In March 2012 I received an email from Paul T. in Austria. Paul contacted me because he too owned a Dörfler & Jörka tenor—his is stencilled Boucet—as well as a Julius Keilwerth tenor from the late 1950s.

Paul was intrigued by what I had written on the D&J page of my site, because before reading my site, he had never tried to switch the necks on his 2 tenors. However once he did try, he quickly found out that it was not possible. This led him to measure the necks, and discover what the size differences where.

Ever since my email exchange with Paul, I’ve been wanting to not only measure my horns, but also write a separate sub-page on these differences for the Dörfler & Jörka page on bassic-sax.info. Over the past couple of weeks I have finally been able to get all these things done.

The D&J vs. JK Necks sub-page is now published. It includes Paul’s and my photos of the sockets, tenons, and mouth pipe openings, as well as comparative measurements from a variety of other tenors. For ease of use, I compiled all the information together in a chart.

Although it should be clear from the photos and resulting data, I want to state that these measurements apply only to the tenor saxophones. I do not have a Dörfler & Jörka alto, therefore I cannot do proper comparative measurements of JK & D&J altos.

Perhaps one day I’ll end up with a Dörfler & Jörka alto. If that day comes, I’ll do up a chart for the altos as well. (Or if someone else has both a JK and a D&J alto, and would like to measure and photograph the bits, let me know.)

Nonetheless, for players looking for detailed D&J information, this research may prove useful. To my knowledge, this is the first time that Dörfler & Jörka and Julius Keilwerth saxophones have been compared/contrasted like this.

…this is just my blog. My “real” website is www.bassic-sax.info. If you’re looking for sax info, you should check it out too.There’s lots there!

A Lovely Dörfler & Jörka Tenor For Sale

This entry is part 28 of 30 in the series Dörfler & Jörka Saxophones

One of my Sax On The Web friends, docrob, is selling his D&J tenor. This H. Genet horn is not just your usual, humdrum, vintage saxophone. Far from it as a matter of fact.

The H. Genet tenor that docrob is currently selling, is in quite remarkable shape. It shows very little wear, still has all its mother of pearl buttons, as well as its original neck fastening screw. It’s serial # is 11XXX.

Dörfler & Jörka, tenor saxophone, German, vintage, sax case

     Source: docrob

The horn is currently listed on eBay, where docrob describes the horn like this:

H. Genet tenor made by Dorfler & Jorka which is a company closely intertwined with Keilwerth. This horn has a great vintage sound , with a very lush full tone. Rolled tone holes, made in West Germany. Lacquer body and lacquer keys which seems to be less common than traditional lacquer body and nickel keys. Lacquer at 95% intact. The thumb screw and pant gard, which I have seen missing on other horns, are present. The case is a replacement, probably a Conn. This is a great vintage horn in very good condition both cosmetically and from a playing standpoint. My tech just regulated the horn and everything is sealing well.

The photos are not the greatest (I’m not a fan of camera phone pics), so I’ve fixed them the best I can. However, even with the graininess, you can see the great condition of this vintage, German saxophone.

  Source: docrob

These D&J tenors compare quite favourably to J.K.’s The New King and Toneking models—the horns which they were copied after. The tone of my D&J-stencilled De Villiers, and my Toneking (with the added high F#), are pretty much identical. It’s not hard to see and hear why Keilwerth took Dörfler & Jörka to court about the copying of their horns.

Just last week I wrote an article quoting the late Steve Stransky (AKA Sarge), in an old thread from SOTW. Sarge, an owner a many JK horns, noted the following about these JK-clone horns:

…Dörfler and Jörka’s are great playing horns… I just did a custom repad on a Voss tenor (also a Dörfler and Jörka) for a very good customer and it smoked

If you can’t afford a vintage Keilwerth, the D&J will make a great ersatz for you. They truly are the next best thing.

Even if you can afford a vintage JK, a D&J might appeal to you just because. I know a number of players, like myself, who own both.

In any event, this fine-looking, and playing, H. Genet made by Dörfler & Jörka that docrob is selling, is currently available through eBay until September 23, and would make a very fine addition to someone’s vintage saxophone stable. docrob has set a reasonable Buy It Now price of $700 US on the horn, but is entertaining offers. At the time of writing, there was 1 offer on the horn already.

…this is just my blog. My “real” website is www.bassic-sax.info. If you’re looking for sax info, you should check it out too.There’s lots there!