The Selmer Mark VI “Halo” Effect
The Selmer Mark VI “Halo” Effect

The Selmer Mark VI “Halo” Effect

baritone, tenor, alto, soprano, Selmer Mark VI saxophonesDo you already own a Mark VI? Do you want to own a Mark VI? Or has the price of the model skyrocketed to the point where you can’t see yourself owning one without first knocking off your local convenience store?

Perhaps because of their price, you’ve opted for one of the Mark VI’s less expensive cousins. Well don’t bother looking at the BA or SBA, since some of those babies actually cost more that a VI.

So where does that leave a player who doesn’t want to buy a new horn, or necessarily even a used, modern one like a Reference, or Series II or III saxophone?

Fortunately for a would-be vintage Selmer player, Selmer has a very long history of saxophone manufacturing. Thus there are many vintage horns from the company available—many of which date back to the very early part of the 20th century.

Unfortunately for those same would-be players, regardless of what model of Selmer they consider, a vintage Selmer will in almost all circumstances cost the player more to buy than a comparable horn from a different manufacturer. How much more? Well that all depends, but in general there has been an upswing in vintage Selmer prices despite the economy, while most other vintage saxophone prices have sunk faster than the Titanic after she hit the iceberg.

tenor saxophone, Selmer Mark VI, haloWhat I find interesting, is how the name “Selmer” on a saxophone will drive the price up by a thousand dollars or more quite easily, over a comparable, if not better saxophone made by one of Selmer’s competitors. The only theory that makes any sense is what I’ve come to think of as the Mark VI halo effect. It’s the only thing that in my mind can explain why a Selmer from 1926 should sell for $1000 or more than say a Pierret from the same time frame. I’ve played both horns, and quite frankly, don’t notice $1,000+ worth of a difference. But hey, that’s just me, YMMV.

If you think that I’m full of kaka with regards to vintage Selmer prices, I encourage you to track them for yourself on eBay and other online sites. Develop a spreadsheet, and watch the prices over time.

Here’s an example of the kinds of info you might want to collect. This is from the tenor spreadsheet that I started back in January. Each horn (SATB) has its own spreadsheet BTW. As you can tell, I didn’t get very far on this particular sheet. (It was while I had pneumonia that I started this project.)

Date Model Finish Serial # Asking Price Selling Price Notes
Jan. 1, 2014 Mark VI Lacquer 135XXX 16,500   Freshly overhauled
Jan. 1, 2014 SBA Lacquer 399XX 14,675    
Jan. 1, 2014 Mark VI Lacquer 99XXX 13,999   Previously owned by Michael Brecker
Jan. 1, 2014 Mark VI Lacquer 68XXX 13,499   Good playing condition
Jan. 1, 2014 Mark VII Lacquer ? 3,999.99   A few pads replaced.
Jan. 1, 2014 Adolphe Sax Lacquer No 1189 and 12728 on the body GBP 2,250 = approx. 3,699.23    
Jan. 1, 2014 Mark VI Lacquer 112743 3,550 (current bid)   Player’s horn with pick-up in neck.

In addition to having a spreadsheet on Selmers, you’ll also want to have spreadsheets on comparable saxophones for the various eras.

Using completed eBay auctions is a good place to start, because there you can find the prices on some of the horns that sold.

Happy researching folks.

…this is just my blog. My “real” website is www.bassic-sax.info. If you’re looking for sax info, you should check it out too.There’s lots there!
 

3 Comments

  1. John

    Main reason to me for the pre ba selmers…ribbed posts!. Love my bass vintage for that one reason…stays in regulation.

    Now, mind you, I play Sba tenor and alto a lot…but a conn straight sop….can agree that other horns may even have a comparable sound…who knows…

    Brings back memories of doing school horn repairs, just finished burnishing a whole lot of dents from a Bundy 2 tenor and play tested…wow…this one just resonated (most are…meh)…when you play test for 15 minutes….

  2. Paul Lindemeyer

    I casually follow Selmer pre-BA tenors over eBay and have noticed something interesting. They stay reasonably priced to later Selmers, allbeit with the expected brand name premium – but they seem to sell to Europe more often than to North America.

    1. Yup… Europeans sure do love their Selmers. What I find interesting, is that over the last little while the prices of other horns (JK’s, Hohners, GH Hüllers, et.al.) appear to have been coming down slightly on eBay.de. Hohners in particular, seem to have taken a hit. It might be that I’ve just noticed them more, because I’ve been researching them lately.

      In any event, I wonder why that is. More uncertainty in the EU economy in the last little bit perhaps?

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