The Risks Of The Current Vintage Sax Market
The Risks Of The Current Vintage Sax Market

The Risks Of The Current Vintage Sax Market

Over the last few days I’ve been exchanging emails with a number of people who are vintage horn shopping. Some of these people live in North America, while some live abroad. Some are looking a sax for themselves, while others are shopping for a gift.

One thing that all these potential buyers have in common, is that they are potentially buying vintage saxophones during a time when prices are depressed. If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it 100 times: this is great if you’re buying, but not so much if you’re selling.

Before fall of 2008, the world was a different place. Those who shopped for a vintage sax couldn’t find anything under $1000 that wasn’t a beater horn—unless they were extremely lucky. Oh what a recession will do. Now you can find lovely vintage horns, in nearly mint condition, for well under $1,000.

vintage sax, alto saxophone, Hohner President, Max Hohner-designed
Hohner President alto, Serial # 114XX, circa 1962.
This is one of the few horns I bought online. I bought it from a dealer I know, and have a really good relationship with. His asking price for this horn is normally around the $600 mark. I bought it during a sale week for not quite 1/3 off. This is a smokin’ little horn. I love it!

Although I have horns of American, French, German, and Italian origins, the vintage German saxophones are the ones that I have followed most closely over the past few years. This is in large part due to the fact that I’ve been researching and writing about these horns for my website.

During the course of my research I have watched the prices of vintage, German saxophones fall nearly through the floor. Horns that dealers would have had no problem selling a few years ago because of their rarity or condition, are going unsold because of their price.

People just don’t want to pay dealer prices when they can pick up a minty horn privately through a local sale, or online. (Online of course always carries lots of risks. Check out this article if you want to learn more about online sax shopping.)

If you are in the market for a new saxophone, now is a good time to shop. Since the economy has gone to hell in a handbasket, I have added about 7 vintage horns to my stable. Six of these have been mid-century German horns.

However, and this is a big HOWEVER, I bought these horns for the long-term. I plan to play each of these horns now, and keep playing and enjoying them for as long as I can. When there comes a time that I can no longer play them, and the economy is better—in other words I won’t lose money on them—only then will I sell them.

I understand that if I tried to sell the saxophones that I have bought over the past 3 years now, I might break even, or more likely lose on some of them. (The ones I’ve had overhauled would likely be money-losers.)

vintage sax, alto saxophone, Julius Keilwerth, Toneking,
Keilwerth-stencilled Jubilee, a stencil of a Toneking Serial # 286XX. Circa 1957
I picked up this minty horn for about $700 Cdn. from a friend, then spent a little more than that on an overhaul & replacement angel wing from JK. All totalled, I’m into it for about $1600. This is a lovely horn. One of the nicest altos I have.

There are a number of players I know who buy and sell saxophones regularly. Not because they are trying to make a buck on them, but because they are wanting to play vintage horns. Not just any vintage horn however, they are looking for the one.

Maybe it’s the one that will give them the sound that they’re craving. Perhaps it’s the one that feels right under the fingers. Or maybe it’s simple the one that will give them a certain status among their peers.

Whatever the reason these players are searching for the one saxophone for them, every time they buy and sell a horn, they run the risk of losing money because of things like eBay and PayPal fees, shipping, taxes, etc. I’ve seen it first hand over and over again.

As long as players understand ahead of time the risks associated with buying a vintage horn, and parting with it for whatever reason, now can certainly be a good time to add a vintage horn to your stable.

…this is just my blog. My “real” website is www.bassic-sax.info. If you’re looking for sax info, you should check it out too.There’s lots there!
 

5 Comments

  1. Regarding vintage horns, I’ve often said that if you’re buying a horn because you think it’s going to appreciate in value, you’re moderately insane. Very few vintage horns appreciate in value — and you can chop that number down if they don’t have “Selmer” engraved on ’em. The best you can hope for is that the horn holds its value. Most don’t, though.

    Buying a cheap vintage horn because you’re going to play the heck outta it is a great idea. Hey, there are even modern horns that are really cheap, now. Especially Yamahas. Just make sure you have at least $300 in reserve to have the horn fixed when it arrives moderately broke-ish.

    1. +1 Thanks Pete. You always add a voice of reason.

      Oh, and have I got a deal for you, just because you’re a friend. 😈

      THIS IS A GREAT SAXAPHONE!!! IT IS IN MINT CONDITION!!!!!! IT WILL KICK ASS!!! YOU WILL SOUND LIKE STAN GETZ IF YOU PLAY ON THIS SELMER MARK IV 5 DIGIT HORN!!! IT HAS ITS CASE, & BECAUSE YOU’RE MY BUD, I’LL EVEN THROUGH IN A SCROLL SHANK C*.

      HOW MUCH YOU ASK? ALL THIS SELMER MARK IV GREATNESS CAN BE YOURS FOR ONLY $75,000. DUE TO FEES, PAYPAL NOT ACCEPTED. JUST SEND ME YOU BANK ACCOUNT INFO, & I’LL GET EVERYTHING I NEED. 😆 😆 😆

      :loco: Could we have med check in isle 4 please? :mrgreen:

    1. Hi there.

      Oh I know. I saw it already. I was so tempted to bid, but I am worried—because they don’t know what they’re doing—that it will most likely get damaged during shipping. It is a beautiful horn alright. You live close, you should go for it! (And by “close”, I mean close by North American standards.)

      I’m sure that whoever ends up with it, will be very happy with this old (“alt” or “altes”, depending on the word’s use, but in this case would be altes) alto (Alt)saxophone.

      Thanks for the visit…helen

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