B&S blue label sax serials & features
B&S blue label sax serials & features

B&S blue label sax serials & features

B&S, blue label sax, alto sax, bell to body support brace, B&S logo on blue enamel oval, gold lacquer saxophone with nickel plated keys
Bell to body support brace of blue label alto # 2057. This appears to be one of the modified horns with the new bell and bow. Source: bluejob469 on eBay.co.uk

It is hard to believe that I have been gathering data on B&S “blue label” saxophones for nearly a decade. That’s crazy! Therefore, it is not surprising that over the past few years more information has become available, and it is time to update my B&S pages on my website.

Through the painstaking work of people at the Musikinstrumenten-Museums Markneukirchen, and through my colleague, Uwe Ladwig, all kids of data regarding the pre-unification horns has come to light. Some of the most interesting information that has recently been published in German sources about these “blue label” horns, involves the number of different models, as well as the evolution of these models.

Something I noticed from the beginning of data gathering

Since I began tracking serial numbers and features of B&S saxophones, I noticed we had quite different features on horns very close in serial number. This led me to speculate if we had a step-up grade of “blue label” horn—although nothing in the published materials indicated that was the case.

It turns out that B&S changed the B&S “blue label” horns in 1985, and gave them them new bells and bows.1 Additionally, serial numbers on the alto and tenor were restarted at 1001 and 1067 respectively. (No word on what happened with the baritones.) 

Apparently, this is why some serial numbers are duplicated—e.g. I have recorded tenor # 2376 twice, but they are different horns. Furthermore, instruments that were still in stock, were updated with the new bells and bows, but their serial numbers were kept original.2

All of these peculiarities will be explored in detail when I finish with the rest of my research, and update the B&S pages of my site. I will post an update to this article when I have it completed.  

B&S “blue label” saxes: serials and features presented in tables 

Since the beginning I had gathered all the data I collected on Excel spread sheets. That made it difficult to share. After a recent discussion with some players on SOTW, I decided it was time to dust off the charts, and see about getting it up for everyone to take a look at. 

Enter the following 4 tables you see below. Soprano, alto, tenor, and baritone saxophones each have their own table. These tables are not finished. At this point the data was just copied over from my Excel charts. 

Note: Pressing the + sign inside the circle will show further info on specific horns.

I haven’t quite figured out yet how each of these horns will be described. I still need to finish researching all the German sources I have, and I need to correspond with Uwe a bit to tie up any loose ends. But at least these searchable tables are a start. 

At the time of writing, 269 horns (SATB) are represented in these tables. Why so few after nearly a decade of searching? For a number of reasons, mainly though, for this to work really well, I need serial numbers on horns, and not all sellers provide them. Also, many times the photos are not plentiful enough, or are of such poor quality, that I can’t find enough of the features I’m looking for to make the horn worth entering into the database. This is where you come in… 

B&S blue label census: count your horn in!

If you have a B&S blue, or gold label saxophone, and you would like to contribute to my research efforts, that would be greatly appreciated!

These are the specs I’m looking for:

For all saxophones:

  • Serial # (first 3 numbers are fine)
  • finish (clear lacquer with nickel keys; gold lacquer with nickel keys; silver plate; or nickel plate)
  • chromatic f# sharp key shape (diamond horizontal or upright rectangular)
  • thumb rest type (fixed metal or adjustable metal or adjustable plastic)
  • type of tone holes (straight or rolled; drawn or soldered)
  • “Made in” stamping reads: G.D.R.; G.D.R. and R.D.A.; D.D.R.; other? What is it?

Additional data for alto, tenor, and baritones:

You can send the above data to me via email. If you are interested in contributing your horn to the B&S gallery, I’m happy to accept photo contributions as well, but that is certainly not necessary.

I want thank SOTW members megwenda and logdrum for prompting me to get going on this rather-overdue work.


1 Faszination Saxophon: DerSaxophonbau Auf Deutschprachigem Gebiet, First edition 2016, Günter Dullat, p. 253.
Ibid


B&S Soprano Saxophones

B&S "blue label" sopranos.
Soprano
Stars in Bell Engraving
Finish
Chromatic F# Key Shape
Thumb Rest
Toneholes
Made In Stamping
Notes
1046
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1112
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1126
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1196
0
silver
straight
Made In GDR
1201
0
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1252
0
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1292
0
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1476
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made in GDR
1508
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1595
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1622
0
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1638
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1944
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
straight
Made In GDR
1961
0
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
1992
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
2100
0
lacquer with nickel plated keys
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
2370
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
2377
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made in GDR
2896
silver
horizontal teardrop
straight
Made In GDR
2927
0
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
3126
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
3281
0
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
3364
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
3369
silver
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
3729
0
gold lacquer with nickel plated keys
horizontal teardrop
straight
3781
gold lacquer with nickel plated keys
horizontal teardrop
fixed metal
straight
3854
2
silver plated
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
4162
silver plated
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
4189
2
silver plated
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
4237
2
silver plated
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
4375
2
gold lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
4382
1
silver
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made In GDR
There is only 1 star in the pic. It is on the right side of of the S in B&S. The photo is a bit blurry so the other might have been buffed out, photo-shopped out, or never have been there at all.
4527
0
gold lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectanglar
4573
0
lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made in GDR
Stencil horn marked: Kawai by B&S
4589
0
lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
Made in GDR
Stencil horn marked: Kawai by B&S
4689
silver
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
46XX
gold lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
4767
2?
gold lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
It was hard to say for sure if there were 2 stars since the pic was so shitty, but most likely there were
5081
2
gold lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
5116
2
silver plated
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made in GDR
5430
2
lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made in GDR
5527
2
lacquer
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
Made in Germany
transitional?
5604
2?
Lacquer with nickel plated keys?
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Probably 2, but only 1 is shown. The pics are crap. You couldn't even tell what kind of finish it had for sure the photos were so bad. The only reason I catalogued it was that I hadn't seen a soprano with this high a serial # before
05740
2
lacquer
upright rectanglar
fixed metal
straight
Made In Germany
transitional
01858
2
lacquer
upright rectanglar
adjustable plastic
straight
Made In Germany
transitional
002301
2
lacquer
upright rectanglar
adjustable plastic
straight
Made In Germany
transitional

B&S Alto Saxophones

B&S "blue label" alto saxophones
AltoStars in Bell EngravingLogo ColourFinishChromatic F# Key ShapeHigh F# Key ShapeThumb RestToneholesC# key Guard Y/NClothes Guard Y/NBell to Body Brace Fastening on BellMade In StampingNotes
01XX2blueclear lacquer/ relac?upright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable plasticstraightnyelongated, Selmer-styleMade in GermanyI suspect that this horn was made shortly before the company discontinued the blue label line. Note the serial #. This was the new serial # convention. It is also the new finish option.

I call this a "transitional" horn as the company switched from a VEB to a GmbH
13060blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated, Selmer style
13150bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondHorn built sans high F# key.
14000bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizonal diamondMade in GermanyHorn built sans F# key.

The "made in" stamping on bell to bow connecting ring.
1711blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnNhorizontal diamond
17550bluesilver platedupright rectangularupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnyelongated Selmer-styleMade In GDR
1783bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamond
1922kawai blue & whitelacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated Selmer-styleMade in GDRStencil horn Kawai
2XXX0bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamond
2062bluenickel platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamond
23610bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade In GDRStamped in the bell to bow connecting ring
24330bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondNot stamped below serial #. The bell to body support bell is covered in some kind of white material. Can't see if it is stamped there.
25550bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
25990bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
25800blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated, Selmer-styleMade In GDRStencil horn Kawai.

The post for the clothes guard were present, but the guard itself was missing.
26880bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
27090bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
27770bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
28410bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnMade in GDR
2994blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated, Selmer-styleMade in GDR
30490bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
31550bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
3158bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
3159bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
3173bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
31XX0bluenickel platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnhorizontal diamond
34240bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
3663bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
37290bluedelacquered with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
38300bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
393Xbluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
4XXX2blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated, Selmer styleFabriqué en R.D.A. Made in GDR
40080bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade In GDR
40800bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
4086bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
4091bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
41370bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
41722bluegold lacquer with nickel keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated, Selmer styleFabriqué en R.D.A. Made in GDR
41950bluenickel platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
448X0goldclear lacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongate, Selmer styleThere is evidence of blue paint on the gold bell to body brace logo.
45330bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
46120bluelacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated Selmer-style
49190bluegold lacquer with nickel keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated Selmer-styleMade in GDR
5089bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
5299bluegold lacquer with nickel keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable plasticstraightnyelongated, Selmer-style
5400bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
55XXblueclear lacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable plasticstraightnyelongated, Selmer-style G.D.R.
5657bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
60150bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamond
60712bluelacquer with lacquered keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable plasticstraightnyelongated, Selmer styleMade In GermanyThis almost looks likes a transitional, but is lacking the "0" in front of the 6.
60850bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
60XX0bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamond
61740bluegold lacquer with nickel keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
62470bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade In GDR
62700bluelacquer with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
6563blueblue epoxy (lacquer?) with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDRBlue lfinish was partially removed to expose bare brass below. Seller claimed it was the original finish.

69020bluegold lacquer with nickel keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDRHas additional stamping 24/8 just above the Made In stamp
7524blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
7525bluedelacquered body with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metal straightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
78490bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
7977bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade In GDR
83590bluegold lacquer with nickel keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnhorizontal diamondFabriqué en R.D.A. Made in GDR
85230blue/goldsilver platedhorizontal rectangularupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDRBlue label on left side, gold on right
87810bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondNot stamped below serial #. No shot of bell to bow connecting ring, so can't see if it is stamped there
88030blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
88260blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
8840blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keyshorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamondMade in GDR
8926bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
89350goldsilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDR
90830blue/goldsilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDRGold on right side, blue on left
9327bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDRPhoto is not great. Could be 9927, but looks more like 93 than 99.
9940bluenickel platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamondMade in GDRHas black key touches and black buttons on the low Bb, B, & C key guards. Most likely aftermarket.
?bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnnhoriztonal diamond
?bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropupright rectangularfixed metalstraightnhoriztonal diamond
?goldsilver platedupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable plasticstraightnnelongated, Selmer-style
?blueclear lacquer with nickel plated keysupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable metalstraightnyelongated, Selmer-styleMade in GDR
?0bluesilver platedhorizontal teardropnone presentfixed metalstraightnnhorizontal diamond
?bluedark honey gold lacquerupright rectangularupright rectangularadustable plasticstraightnyelongated, Selmer style
?bluedark honey gold lacquerupright rectangularupright rectangularadjustable plasticstraightnyelongated, Selmer styleAccording to seller, this horn was made in Dec 1977. He got this info in an email from the museum in Markneukirchen.

B&S Tenor Saxophones

B&S "blue label" tenor saxes
Tenor
Stars in Bell Engraving
Logo Colour
Finish
Chromatic F# Key Shape
High F# Key Shape
Thumb Rest
Toneholes
C# key Guard Y/N
Clothes Guard Y/N
Bell to Body Brace Fastening on Bell
Made In Stamping
Notes
1014
blue
gold lacquer with nickel keys
horizontal teardrop
n/a
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in Germany
Horn has no high F#.
"made in" stamped on bell to bow connecting ring
1087
0
blue
silver plated with gold wash bell
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in Germany
For sale again in April 2016. This time the flaking gold wash bell had been stripped and it was only a silver plated horn. Was the gold wash aftermarket to begin with?

The "made in" is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
1093
blue
silver plated with gold wash bell
horizontal teardrop
n/a
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
The "made in" is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
1147
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in Germany
The "made in" is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
1270
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
1559
lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
1565
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in Germany
The "made in" is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
1599
0
blue
lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
This horn was dead mint. Still had the original MP, neck strap. Seller claimed it was from 1986. I am starting to wonder if B&S went back to the beginning with their serials?
1631
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
n/a
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
1654
gold
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
1708
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal diamond
There is nothing stamped below the serial #. The bell to bow connecting isn't well photographed, but it doesn't appear to be there either???? WTF?
1986
gold
delacquered with nickel plated keys (also matte finish)
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
2031
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizonal diamond
Made in GDR
"made in" stamped on bell to bow connecting ring
2083
0
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
2184
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal diamond
Couldn't read it, but it looks like it is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring
2250
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal diamond
Made in DDR
"made in" stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring
2373
2
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated-Selmer-style
Made in GDR
2376
2
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated-Selmer-style
Made in GDR
This horn was sold as NOS in 2016. Note the other tenor with the same serial # included in this list. It has different features, and appears to be an older model.
2376
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal diamond
Made in GDR
"made in" stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
2414
0
blue
clear lacquer with nickel plated keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in DDR
"made in" stamped on bell to bow connecting ring
2420
0
blue
lacquer with nickel keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
straight
n
horizontal diamond
# on horn not shown, only on neck
2442
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
horizontal diamond
2499
blue
gold lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
2516
1
blue
lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
Might be 2 stars, but can only see 1. The other might be hidden in a black reflection on the bell.
2585
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
2664
2
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Also has a registered trade mark symbol R in a circle on the right side of the logo, just above the leaves & at the 2 o'clock spot of the star by the S of B&S.
2700
blue
gold lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
G.D.R. & R.D.A (French)
27XX
2
blue
gold lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
2796
blue
gold lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
n
y
elongated, Selmer-style
2808
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
None
2877
0
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in Germany
I can't be sure it said Germany since the pic was not that big. But the stamping looked too long to be GDR
2858
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In DDR
"made in" stamped on bell to bow connecting ring.

Horn was paired with Selmer Mark VII neck.
3025
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
straight
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
3044
2
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
straight
y
elongated, Selmer-style
3155
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
3177
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
The serial # is a bit of a guess. The pic showing the # is shite. It could be 8177, or maybe ??? But based on the 2 upright F# keys I am guessing that it starts with a 3--since none of the 8XXX horns I have seen so far have anything other than a horizontal F# key
3198
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
Made in GDR
3213
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
This sax has an original pick-up built into the neck. Seller mentions something about the neck being a Weltklang...
3246
0
blue
mostly delacaquered with nickle plated keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
3309
blue
clear lacquer with nickel plated keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
3371
0
blue
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
Made in GDR
The shape of the chromatic F# would be an upright rectangular one if it was there--but it is missing. The tone hole is closed off with a plastic top from a Fuji Film roll container.
3451
blue
lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
3499
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
n/a
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in DDR
3579
0
blue
lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
3616
gold
silver plated
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
Made in GDR
Only the right side of the bell to body brace is visible, and that side has had the blue enamel removed.
3661
gold plated
silver plated with 1 gold plated key
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
This horn has some MOP key touches on R palm keys & also MOP inlaid on the key guards. It is engraved "Ahnenerbe" on the bell, and "Nenibredni" on the neck. Likely a custom horn.
3674
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Only # under octave lever visible.
3870
0
blue on one side & gold on the other
clear lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable plastic
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
3809
blue
gold lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable plastic
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
3912
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
3993
0
blue
silver plate
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adustable plastic
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in GDR
3xxx
0
blue
lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Slemer style
4053
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
Made in GDR
4147
2
blue on one side & gold on the other
gold lacquer with nickel keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adustable plastic
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made in Germany
4388
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
4476
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
4483
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
Made in GDR
4571
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
4643
0
n/a
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
Made in GDR
The bell to body support brace has been replaced with a non-B&S brace
4649
0
n/a
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
The bell to body support brace has been replaced with a non-B&S brace.

?? is this the same horn as 4643? Did I screw up the #??

The seller has included a clear shot of the serial #. It is without a doubt 4649. These pics also don't look familiar. I'm wondering if the new owner is selling it, since while the pics don't look familiar, the brace does.
4658
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
GDR
4730
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
4771
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GBR
No pic available. I think the seller meant GDR for "made in".
5095
0
blue
nickel plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
5491
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
5575
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
5747
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
6104
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
6125
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
6144
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
this sax was crushed, but still recognizable
6326
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
6329
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
6375
0
blue
silver plate
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
6390
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
6361
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
6455
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
2nd # look like a 4, but it the right vertical line is a bit hinky. Looks badly stamped maybe.
6520
0
blue
nickel plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In DDR
6617
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
6632
blue
silver plate
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
66XX
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
7059
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
straight
n
n
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In GDR
7100
0
blue
body clear lacquer with nickle plated keys. Neck gold lacquer.
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
7216
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
7244
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
Made In GDR
7264
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
7311
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
Made In GDR
7320
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
7350
0
n/a
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
typical bell to body brace was removed and a straight metal bar was added in its place
7435
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
7439
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
7675
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in DDR
Might be GDR, but the image was rather blurry. However, when blown up in photoshop, the first 2 letters looked the same, so likely is "DD".
7659
0
blue
mostly delacaquered with nickle plated keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
blue label on one side, missing completely on the other. This tells us that these blue labels are just glued into place
7692
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
7785
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
7779
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
the blue was scraped off the right side leaving a "gold" label. It was not a good job.
7806
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
7841
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
This could be nickel plated
7921
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
8054
blue
silver plate
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
8077
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
8166
blue
silver plate
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
8188
blue
silver plate
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
This horn has been buffed to a matte finish
8199
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
8378
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
8410
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
8645
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
8832
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
8856
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
8920
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
9015
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
9110
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
horiztonal diamond
9199
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
9368
blue
slver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
9527
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
9681
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
Made in GDR
9780
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
10188
0
blue
clear lacquer with nickel plated keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
10236
0
gold
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
evidence that the blue enamel has been removed.
10325
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made In GDR
10335
0
blue/gold
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
Made in GDR
blue on right side; gold on left of bell to body brace logo.
10349
0
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
10466
0
blue
lacquer with nickel keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horizontal dimaond
10451
blue
gold lacquer with nickel keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
straight
n
10475
blue
gold lacquer with nickel keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
Made In GDR
?
blue
silver plated
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
?
blue
clear lacquer with nickel plated keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
?
blue
clear lacquer with nickel plated keys
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
?
blue
delacquered with nickel plated keys (also matte finish)
horizontal teardrop
upright rectangular
fixed metal
straight
n
n
horiztonal diamond
?
gold
? Lacquer with nickel plated keys
upright rectangular
upright rectangular
adjustable metal
straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style

B&S Baritone Saxophones

B&S "blue label" bari saxes
Baritone
Stars In Engraving
Logo Colour
Finish
Chromatic F# Key Shape
High F# Key Shape
Thumb Rest
Toneholes
C# key Guard Y/N
Clothes Guard Y/N
Bell to Body Brace Fastening on Bell
Made In Stamping
Notes
1455
0
blue
Silver plated
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In GDR
1061
0
blue
Silver plated
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In GDR
14XX
0
none present
Nickel plated ? Or Shiny Silver plate
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In GDR
the coloured badges have been removed, and only the brace remains. Clearly shows that the coloured label is just glued in.
1419
0
blue
Lacquer with nickel plated keys
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In GDR
Stencil horn engraved Barby
1515
blue
Lacquer with nickel plated keys
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
n
y
horizontal diamond
Made In GDR
This horn is a stencil, and engraved with the name Fleur--or so the owner says. Maybe LaFluer?
17XX
blue
Lacquer with nickel plated keys
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
This sax is engraved with the model name "Condor"
1854
blue
gold lacquer with nickel plated keys
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Fabriqué en R.D.A. Made in GDR
1938
0
blue
silver plated
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In GDR
2239
1
blue
Silver plated
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Crap photo. Likely has 2 stars, but could only see the 1
2271
2
blue
Silver plated
Horizontal Teardrop
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In GDR
22XX
2
blue
Lacquer with nickel plated keys
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
2313
2
blue & gold after rebuild a few months later
Lacquer with nickel plated keys
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
2425
blue
Lacquer
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
Plastic Selmer adjustable to replace original.
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In Germany
2429
2
blue
Laquer
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable plastic
Straight
Y
Y
elongated, Selmer-style
Made In Germany
?
0
blue
Lacquer with nickel plated keys
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style
?
2
blue
Lacquer with nickel plated keys
Horizontal Teardrop
n/a
adjustable metal
Straight
y
y
elongated, Selmer-style

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