B&S blue label sax serials & features

Bell to body support brace of blue label alto # 2057. This appears to be one of the modified horns with the new bell and bow. Source: bluejob469 on eBay.co.uk

It is hard to believe that I have been gathering data on B&S “blue label” saxophones for nearly a decade. That’s crazy! Therefore, it is not surprising that over the past few years more information has become available, and it is time to update my B&S pages on my website.

Through the painstaking work of people at the Musikinstrumenten-Museums Markneukirchen, and through my colleague, Uwe Ladwig, all kids of data regarding the pre-unification horns has come to light. Some of the most interesting information that has recently been published in German sources about these “blue label” horns, involves the number of different models, as well as the evolution of these models.

Something I noticed from the beginning of data gathering

Since I began tracking serial numbers and features of B&S saxophones, I noticed we had quite different features on horns very close in serial number. This led me to speculate if we had a step-up grade of “blue label” horn—although nothing in the published materials indicated that was the case.

It turns out that B&S changed the B&S “blue label” horns in 1985, and gave them them new bells and bows.¹ Additionally, serial numbers on the alto and tenor were restarted at 1001 and 1067 respectively. (No word on what happened with the baritones.)

Apparently, this is why some serial numbers are duplicated—e.g. I have recorded tenor # 2376 twice, but they are different horns. Furthermore, instruments that were still in stock, were updated with the new bells and bows, but their serial numbers were kept original.²

All of these peculiarities will be explored in detail when I finish with the rest of my research, and update the B&S pages of my site. I will post an update to this article when I have it completed.

B&S “blue label” saxes: serials and features presented in tables

Since the beginning I had gathered all the data I collected on Excel spread sheets. That made it difficult to share. After a recent discussion with some players on SOTW, I decided it was time to dust off the charts, and see about getting it up for everyone to take a look at.

Enter the following 4 tables you see below. Soprano, alto, tenor, and baritone saxophones each have their own table. These tables are not finished. At this point the data was just copied over from my Excel charts.

Note: Pressing the + sign inside the circle will show further info on specific horns.

I haven’t quite figured out yet how each of these horns will be described. I still need to finish researching all the German sources I have, and I need to correspond with Uwe a bit to tie up any loose ends. But at least these searchable tables are a start.

At the time of writing, 269 horns (SATB) are represented in these tables. Why so few after nearly a decade of searching? For a number of reasons, mainly though, for this to work really well, I need serial numbers on horns, and not all sellers provide them. Also, many times the photos are not plentiful enough, or are of such poor quality, that I can’t find enough of the features I’m looking for to make the horn worth entering into the database. This is where you come in…

B&S blue label census: count your horn in!

If you have a B&S blue, or gold label saxophone, and you would like to contribute to my research efforts, that would be greatly appreciated!

These are the specs I’m looking for:

For all saxophones:

Serial # (first 3 numbers are fine)
finish (clear lacquer with nickel keys; gold lacquer with nickel keys; silver plate; or nickel plate)
chromatic f# sharp key shape (diamond horizontal or upright rectangular)
thumb rest type (fixed metal or adjustable metal or adjustable plastic)
type of tone holes (straight or rolled; drawn or soldered)
“Made in” stamping reads: G.D.R.; G.D.R. and R.D.A.; D.D.R.; other? What is it?

Additional data for alto, tenor, and baritones:

Logo colour (blue or gold)
C# key guard (yes/no)
Pant guard (yes/no)
Bell to Body Brace Fastening on Bell (horizontal diamond or elongated, Selmer-style)

You can send the above data to me via email. If you are interested in contributing your horn to the B&S gallery, I’m happy to accept photo contributions as well, but that is certainly not necessary.

I want thank SOTW members megwenda and logdrum for prompting me to get going on this rather-overdue work.

¹Faszination Saxophon: DerSaxophonbau Auf Deutschprachigem Gebiet, First edition 2016, Günter Dullat, p. 253.
²Ibid

B&S Soprano Saxophones

B&S "blue label" sopranos.

Soprano	Stars in Bell Engraving	Finish	Chromatic F# Key Shape	Thumb Rest	Toneholes	Made In Stamping	Notes
1046		silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1112		silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1126	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1196	0	silver			straight	Made In GDR
1201	0	silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1252	0	silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1292	0	silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1476	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made in GDR
1508	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1595	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1622	0	silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1638		silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1944	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop		straight	Made In GDR
1961	0	silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
1992	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
2100	0	lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
2370	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
2377	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made in GDR
2896		silver	horizontal teardrop		straight	Made In GDR
2927	0	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
3126		silver plated	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
3281	0	silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
3364		silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
3369		silver	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
3729	0	gold lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop		straight
3781		gold lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	fixed metal	straight
3854	2	silver plated	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight
4162		silver plated	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
4189	2	silver plated	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
4237	2	silver plated	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
4375	2	gold lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR
4382	1	silver	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made In GDR	There is only 1 star in the pic. It is on the right side of of the S in B&S. The photo is a bit blurry so the other might have been buffed out, photo-shopped out, or never have been there at all.
4527	0	gold lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectanglar
4573	0	lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made in GDR	Stencil horn marked: Kawai by B&S
4589	0	lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	Made in GDR	Stencil horn marked: Kawai by B&S
4689		silver	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight
46XX		gold lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight
4767	2?	gold lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight		It was hard to say for sure if there were 2 stars since the pic was so shitty, but most likely there were
5081	2	gold lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight
5116	2	silver plated	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made in GDR
5430	2	lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made in GDR
5527	2	lacquer	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	Made in Germany	transitional?
5604	2?	Lacquer with nickel plated keys?	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight		Probably 2, but only 1 is shown. The pics are crap. You couldn't even tell what kind of finish it had for sure the photos were so bad. The only reason I catalogued it was that I hadn't seen a soprano with this high a serial # before
05740	2	lacquer	upright rectanglar	fixed metal	straight	Made In Germany	transitional
01858	2	lacquer	upright rectanglar	adjustable plastic	straight	Made In Germany	transitional
002301	2	lacquer	upright rectanglar	adjustable plastic	straight	Made In Germany	transitional

B&S Alto Saxophones

B&S "blue label" alto saxophones

Alto	Stars in Bell Engraving	Logo Colour	Finish	Chromatic F# Key Shape	High F# Key Shape	Thumb Rest	Toneholes	C# key Guard Y/N	Clothes Guard Y/N	Bell to Body Brace Fastening on Bell	Made In Stamping	Notes
01XX	2	blue	clear lacquer/ relac?	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable plastic	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in Germany	I suspect that this horn was made shortly before the company discontinued the blue label line. Note the serial #. This was the new serial # convention. It is also the new finish option. I call this a "transitional" horn as the company switched from a VEB to a GmbH
1306	0	blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer style
1315	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond		Horn built sans high F# key.
1400	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizonal diamond	Made in Germany	Horn built sans F# key. The "made in" stamping on bell to bow connecting ring.
1711		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	N	horizontal diamond
1755	0	blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	y	elongated Selmer-style	Made In GDR
1783		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond
1922		kawai blue & white	lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated Selmer-style	Made in GDR	Stencil horn Kawai
2XXX	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond
2062		blue	nickel plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond
2361	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made In GDR	Stamped in the bell to bow connecting ring
2433	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond		Not stamped below serial #. The bell to body support bell is covered in some kind of white material. Can't see if it is stamped there.
2555	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
2599	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
2580	0	blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In GDR	Stencil horn Kawai. The post for the clothes guard were present, but the guard itself was missing.
2688	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
2709	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
2777	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
2841	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n			Made in GDR
2994		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
3049	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
3155	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
3158		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
3159		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
3173		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
31XX	0	blue	nickel plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horizontal diamond
3424	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
3663		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
3729	0	blue	delacquered with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
3830	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
393X		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
4XXX	2	blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer style	Fabriqué en R.D.A. Made in GDR
4008	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made In GDR
4080	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
4086		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
4091		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
4137	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
4172	2	blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer style	Fabriqué en R.D.A. Made in GDR
4195	0	blue	nickel plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
448X	0	gold	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongate, Selmer style		There is evidence of blue paint on the gold bell to body brace logo.
4533	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
4612	0	blue	lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated Selmer-style
4919	0	blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated Selmer-style	Made in GDR
5089		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
5299		blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable plastic	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer-style
5400		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
55XX		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable plastic	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer-style	G.D.R.
5657		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
6015	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond
6071	2	blue	lacquer with lacquered keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable plastic	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer style	Made In Germany	This almost looks likes a transitional, but is lacking the "0" in front of the 6.
6085	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
60XX	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond
6174	0	blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
6247	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made In GDR
6270	0	blue	lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
6563		blue	blue epoxy (lacquer?) with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR	Blue lfinish was partially removed to expose bare brass below. Seller claimed it was the original finish.
6902	0	blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR	Has additional stamping 24/8 just above the Made In stamp
7524		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
7525		blue	delacquered body with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
7849	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
7977		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made In GDR
8359	0	blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horizontal diamond	Fabriqué en R.D.A. Made in GDR
8523	0	blue/gold	silver plated	horizontal rectangular	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR	Blue label on left side, gold on right
8781	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond		Not stamped below serial #. No shot of bell to bow connecting ring, so can't see if it is stamped there
8803	0	blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
8826	0	blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
8840		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
8926		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
8935	0	gold	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR
9083	0	blue/gold	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR	Gold on right side, blue on left
9327		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR	Photo is not great. Could be 9927, but looks more like 93 than 99.
9940		blue	nickel plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR	Has black key touches and black buttons on the low Bb, B, & C key guards. Most likely aftermarket.
?		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond
?		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horiztonal diamond
?		gold	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable plastic	straight	n	n	elongated, Selmer-style
?		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
?	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	none present	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond
?		blue	dark honey gold lacquer	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adustable plastic	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer style
?		blue	dark honey gold lacquer	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable plastic	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer style		According to seller, this horn was made in Dec 1977. He got this info in an email from the museum in Markneukirchen.

B&S Tenor Saxophones

B&S "blue label" tenor saxes

Tenor	Stars in Bell Engraving	Logo Colour	Finish	Chromatic F# Key Shape	High F# Key Shape	Thumb Rest	Toneholes	C# key Guard Y/N	Clothes Guard Y/N	Bell to Body Brace Fastening on Bell	Made In Stamping	Notes
1014		blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	horizontal teardrop	n/a	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in Germany	Horn has no high F#. "made in" stamped on bell to bow connecting ring
1087	0	blue	silver plated with gold wash bell	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in Germany	For sale again in April 2016. This time the flaking gold wash bell had been stripped and it was only a silver plated horn. Was the gold wash aftermarket to begin with? The "made in" is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
1093		blue	silver plated with gold wash bell	horizontal teardrop	n/a	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond		The "made in" is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
1147		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in Germany	The "made in" is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
1270		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
1559			lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y		elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
1565	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in Germany	The "made in" is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
1599	0	blue	lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR	This horn was dead mint. Still had the original MP, neck strap. Seller claimed it was from 1986. I am starting to wonder if B&S went back to the beginning with their serials?
1631	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	n/a	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
1654		gold	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
1708	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond		There is nothing stamped below the serial #. The bell to bow connecting isn't well photographed, but it doesn't appear to be there either???? WTF?
1986		gold	delacquered with nickel plated keys (also matte finish)	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style
2031	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizonal diamond	Made in GDR	"made in" stamped on bell to bow connecting ring
2083	0	blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
2184	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond		Couldn't read it, but it looks like it is stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring
2250	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in DDR	"made in" stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring
2373	2	blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated-Selmer-style	Made in GDR
2376	2	blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated-Selmer-style	Made in GDR	This horn was sold as NOS in 2016. Note the other tenor with the same serial # included in this list. It has different features, and appears to be an older model.
2376	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal diamond	Made in GDR	"made in" stamped on the bell to bow connecting ring.
2414	0	blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in DDR	"made in" stamped on bell to bow connecting ring
2420	0	blue	lacquer with nickel keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular		straight	n		horizontal diamond		# on horn not shown, only on neck
2442		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horizontal diamond
2499		blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style
2516	1	blue	lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR	Might be 2 stars, but can only see 1. The other might be hidden in a black reflection on the bell.
2585		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
2664	2	blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style		Also has a registered trade mark symbol R in a circle on the right side of the logo, just above the leaves & at the 2 o'clock spot of the star by the S of B&S.
2700		blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	G.D.R. & R.D.A (French)
27XX	2	blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
2796		blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	n	y	elongated, Selmer-style
2808		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	None
2877	0	blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in Germany	I can't be sure it said Germany since the pic was not that big. But the stamping looked too long to be GDR
2858	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In DDR	"made in" stamped on bell to bow connecting ring. Horn was paired with Selmer Mark VII neck.
3025		blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular		straight	y		elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
3044	2	blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular		straight	y		elongated, Selmer-style
3155	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
3177		blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR	The serial # is a bit of a guess. The pic showing the # is shite. It could be 8177, or maybe ??? But based on the 2 upright F# keys I am guessing that it starts with a 3--since none of the 8XXX horns I have seen so far have anything other than a horizontal F# key
3198	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n		Made in GDR
3213	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR	This sax has an original pick-up built into the neck. Seller mentions something about the neck being a Weltklang...
3246	0	blue	mostly delacaquered with nickle plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
3309		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
3371	0	blue	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR	The shape of the chromatic F# would be an upright rectangular one if it was there--but it is missing. The tone hole is closed off with a plastic top from a Fuji Film roll container.
3451		blue	lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y
3499		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	n/a	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in DDR
3579	0	blue	lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
3616		gold	silver plated	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y		Made in GDR	Only the right side of the bell to body brace is visible, and that side has had the blue enamel removed.
3661		gold plated	silver plated with 1 gold plated key	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style		This horn has some MOP key touches on R palm keys & also MOP inlaid on the key guards. It is engraved "Ahnenerbe" on the bell, and "Nenibredni" on the neck. Likely a custom horn.
3674	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond		Only # under octave lever visible.
3870	0	blue on one side & gold on the other	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable plastic	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
3809		blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable plastic	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
3912	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
3993	0	blue	silver plate	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adustable plastic	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in GDR
3xxx	0	blue	lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Slemer style
4053		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
4147	2	blue on one side & gold on the other	gold lacquer with nickel keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adustable plastic	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made in Germany
4388	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
4476	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
4483		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made in GDR
4571		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
4643	0	n/a	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n			Made in GDR	The bell to body support brace has been replaced with a non-B&S brace
4649	0	n/a	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR	The bell to body support brace has been replaced with a non-B&S brace. ?? is this the same horn as 4643? Did I screw up the #?? The seller has included a clear shot of the serial #. It is without a doubt 4649. These pics also don't look familiar. I'm wondering if the new owner is selling it, since while the pics don't look familiar, the brace does.
4658		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	GDR
4730		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
4771	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GBR	No pic available. I think the seller meant GDR for "made in".
5095	0	blue	nickel plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
5491		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
5575	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
5747		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
6104	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
6125		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
6144	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR	this sax was crushed, but still recognizable
6326	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
6329	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
6375	0	blue	silver plate	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
6390	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
6361		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
6455	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR	2nd # look like a 4, but it the right vertical line is a bit hinky. Looks badly stamped maybe.
6520	0	blue	nickel plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In DDR
6617	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
6632		blue	silver plate	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
66XX	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
7059		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular		straight	n	n	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In GDR
7100	0	blue	body clear lacquer with nickle plated keys. Neck gold lacquer.	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
7216		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
7244		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made In GDR
7264	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
7311	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n		Made In GDR
7320		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
7350	0	n/a	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR	typical bell to body brace was removed and a straight metal bar was added in its place
7435		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
7439		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
7675		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in DDR	Might be GDR, but the image was rather blurry. However, when blown up in photoshop, the first 2 letters looked the same, so likely is "DD".
7659	0	blue	mostly delacaquered with nickle plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR	blue label on one side, missing completely on the other. This tells us that these blue labels are just glued into place
7692	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
7785	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
7779	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR	the blue was scraped off the right side leaving a "gold" label. It was not a good job.
7806	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
7841	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR	This could be nickel plated
7921	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
8054		blue	silver plate	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
8077	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
8166		blue	silver plate	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
8188		blue	silver plate	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond		This horn has been buffed to a matte finish
8199		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
8378	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
8410	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
8645		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
8832	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
8856	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
8920		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
9015		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
9110		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n		horiztonal diamond
9199	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
9368		blue	slver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
9527	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
9681	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n			Made in GDR
9780	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
10188	0	blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR
10236	0	gold	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR	evidence that the blue enamel has been removed.
10325		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made In GDR
10335	0	blue/gold	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond	Made in GDR	blue on right side; gold on left of bell to body brace logo.
10349	0	blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
10466	0	blue	lacquer with nickel keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horizontal dimaond
10451		blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular		straight	n
10475		blue	gold lacquer with nickel keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond	Made In GDR
?		blue	silver plated	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond
?		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond
?		blue	clear lacquer with nickel plated keys	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond
?		blue	delacquered with nickel plated keys (also matte finish)	horizontal teardrop	upright rectangular	fixed metal	straight	n	n	horiztonal diamond
?		gold	? Lacquer with nickel plated keys	upright rectangular	upright rectangular	adjustable metal	straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style

B&S Baritone Saxophones

B&S "blue label" bari saxes

Baritone	Stars In Engraving	Logo Colour	Finish	Chromatic F# Key Shape	High F# Key Shape	Thumb Rest	Toneholes	C# key Guard Y/N	Clothes Guard Y/N	Bell to Body Brace Fastening on Bell	Made In Stamping	Notes
1455	0	blue	Silver plated	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In GDR
1061	0	blue	Silver plated	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In GDR
14XX	0	none present	Nickel plated ? Or Shiny Silver plate	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In GDR	the coloured badges have been removed, and only the brace remains. Clearly shows that the coloured label is just glued in.
1419	0	blue	Lacquer with nickel plated keys	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In GDR	Stencil horn engraved Barby
1515		blue	Lacquer with nickel plated keys	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	n	y	horizontal diamond	Made In GDR	This horn is a stencil, and engraved with the name Fleur--or so the owner says. Maybe LaFluer?
17XX		blue	Lacquer with nickel plated keys	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y			This sax is engraved with the model name "Condor"
1854		blue	gold lacquer with nickel plated keys	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Fabriqué en R.D.A. Made in GDR
1938	0	blue	silver plated	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In GDR
2239	1	blue	Silver plated	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style		Crap photo. Likely has 2 stars, but could only see the 1
2271	2	blue	Silver plated	Horizontal Teardrop		adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In GDR
22XX	2	blue	Lacquer with nickel plated keys	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style
2313	2	blue & gold after rebuild a few months later	Lacquer with nickel plated keys	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style
2425		blue	Lacquer	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	Plastic Selmer adjustable to replace original.	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In Germany
2429	2	blue	Laquer	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable plastic	Straight	Y	Y	elongated, Selmer-style	Made In Germany
?	0	blue	Lacquer with nickel plated keys	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style
?	2	blue	Lacquer with nickel plated keys	Horizontal Teardrop	n/a	adjustable metal	Straight	y	y	elongated, Selmer-style