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A Phase 1 Hohner President tenor and what it tells us about the evolution of Max Keilwerth saxophones
In early April 2019, I happened across this interesting, and quite rare, Phase 1 Hohner President tenor sax on eBay. Unfortunately the horn sold before I could email any questions to the owner.
If you’re not familiar with what I mean by Phase 1, after years of extensive research into the Hohner Presidents, I came up with a classification system for the brand based on their features. You can read all about it on the Hohner page of my website.
The seller of this very-vintage Hohner President described the tenor like this:
Vendo sassofono tenore argentado d’epoca (VINTAGE ) prodotto da Max Keilwerth, uno dei primi sassofoni realizzati per Hohner, marchiato HOHNER PRESIDENT, non ha un numero di serie nel corpo, ma se il collo (39), un sax molto solido, ha ancora le cuscinetti originali debe essere sostituito, laccato in buone condizioni, data l’età, presenta diversi macchia nera, vedi foto boccaglio originale e gli accessori sono inclusi.
Spedizione in Italia 50 euro, Union Europea 70 euro, fuori Europa (EEUU) 120 euro.
I sell vintage argentado tenor saxophone (VINTAGE) produced by Max Keilwerth, one of the first saxophones made for Hohner, branded HOHNER PRESIDENT, does not have a serial number in the body, but if the neck (39), a very solid sax, has still the original bearings must be replaced, lacquered in good condition, given the age, has several black spots, see original mouthpiece photos and accessories are included.
Shipping in Italy 50 euros, European Union 70 euros, out of Europe (EEUU) 120 euros.
Unfortunately not all aspects of the horn were shown in the photos the seller provided. However, the ones that were on eBay, were crystal clear and showed great detail.
At first I didn’t think all that much about this tenor, but then I remembered some research I was doing into the various permutations of Presidents. This unassuming tenor added an interesting set of data points into what was already an unusual model of Max Keilwerth-made saxophone.
Making sense of many types of Presidents
It just wouldn’t be a Bassic Sax article without a chart, now would it?
Rather than trying to describe all the variables I have come across; I have put together a chart to help make sense of things. The atypical Presidents are listed before the model they most closely resemble.
Links to photos illustrating the features noted are provided. All of these links are on my website somewhere—either in one of my galleries, somewhere on this blog, or on the the website itself.
So what does all this mean?
After pouring through all of these images, I have come to the following conclusions:
- The brochure that I bought on eBay back in 2011 that illustrates the Hohner Presidents, most likely depicts pre-production Hohners—since it shows Hohners with features associated with Pure Tone Trade Mark Presidents, not really Hohner made ones, or even the very first few horns made.
- When Max Keilwerth moved to Hohner and started a saxophone division, his saxophone design was refined somewhat. His horns were already moving from utilitarian to artistic, but at Hohner he was able to create a much lovelier, more refined, yet extremely well thought-out and built horn. Anyone who owns or has played a well-maintained Hohner President will tell you: They are built like tanks but are smooth and quick in action and responsive across their entire range. Furthermore, they have a sound that is unique to themselves.
- As Max Keilwerth further refined his Presidents, he added features—arguably the most famous of which was the legally protected (”gesetzlich geschützten”), true double socket neck. The neck was held in place by a round thumb screw with a cross hatch (nail file) pattern. MK also added a smaller, matching round thumb screw to hold the marching lyre in place. Perhaps equally famous were the drawn, rolled tone holes that the Phase 2 President saxophones became known for.
- To date I have seen only two pre-Hohner saxophones bearing the German spelling of Präsident. If I had to guess, I would say that these horns are the earliest incarnations of the President model saxophones that Max Keilwerth built. The very limited serial #’s that I have seen would back up this theory. Given that the Pure Tone Trade Mark stamp is missing from above the serial # of alto 1223, I further postulate that this Präsident was built before MK received his Trademark.
- Given what I recently discovered about Max Keilwerth making at least some HP horns, it is safe to say that once he moved his saxophone design studio to Hohner, all his horns were LP. To date no one has come forward stating that they had tuning problems with their Hohner President, or that they had a HP Hohner President.
If you have a Max Keilwerth-made President, or one of the über rare Präsident saxophones, please get in touch with me. If there is any way that you would be willing to share photos of your horn and a partial serial # I would be very grateful. Thank you.
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